TagliatelliMonster
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Christians do what they believe to be the will of god.
So do muslims.
So do jews.
So did Vikings.
They can do what they believe to be the will of other gods.
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Texas pastor openly calls on 'Christian nationalists' to 'impose their values on society'
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Christians do what they believe to be the will of god.
So do muslims.
So do jews.
So did Vikings.
They can do what they believe to be the will of other gods.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
That’s exactly it, Revoltingest. Bravo!
Despite being so utterly self-centred in general, when it comes to behaviour, we seem to solely focus on what others do/ don’t do, etc. How is that possible?!
What are we, ourselves doing? How does that rate in light of the standards we claim ourselves to promote? Focus and work on that, why don’t we?
Humbly
Hermit
Five Solas
Active Member
Wha'
What's your point?
Do you want an argument?
Stick to the topic, please.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, because it doesn't work, because all the rest of us are wrong. Don't forget that.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
No, because it doesn't work, because all the rest of us are wrong. Don't forget that.
Haha!
But seeing as I am right
: you are not responsible for the doing of others; you are only responsible for your own. Monitor your own input and contribution, not your neighbour’s.To those who believe that they must “save” the soul humanity” somehow: if by this, you believe that you have the authority and duty to control another, you will fail in saving anything at all.
Humbly
Hermit
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Haha!
But seeing as I am right
To those who believe that they must “save” the soul humanity” somehow: if by this, you believe that you have the authority and duty to control another, you will fail in saving anything at all.
Humbly
Hermit
The limit is that I am not alone in the world and have to interact with you right now. So there are in effect 3 versions of right, for the world as such, for the social and for the individual.
And, no, I can't do that as my religion is The Wrong One.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Isn't it obvious?
You said "christians do the will of god".
What you should have said was "christians do what they believe to be the will of god".
Other then that, no argument.
Maybe it's nitpicking. But I like accuracy.
They are Bible God's will. You may say He is not real. I believe Bible God is the only true God. I want to keep Him as my God, because His will is good and He is the only hope for good, truth and love to win.
Maybe Popol Vuh has some truth in it. To me crucial is what the message is. By what I know, Bible is exceptional in that it has message also to us, it is not only history of some people, but also about good and right and future. And even if the past and future would be wrong, I think it is correct on what is good and right. And to me that is the most important part of the Bible.
I would not keep any other as my God than Bible God, because no other has shown such greatness. But this is just my opinion and belief. If you think it would be more reasonable to keep something else as your god, you are free to do so. I just would not think it is reasonable, even if the other "god" would exist.
I think the reason for all wars is greed of money and power. Religions and isms are only excuse for the wars.
If there are theists on different sides, I think also then it can be checked do their ideas come from God (for example from ten commandments) or are they or their ideas without God.
To me democracy means only that people vote and decision is by majority's will. Democracy itself doesn't quarantine that decisions are good. A king could as well make good decisions.
I think modern representative democracy is not good, because it gives some elite group much power and there is no quarantine that they do good decisions. It is expensive and often tyrannical system that exploits everyone else but the rich elite. It would be better, if the power would be limited and the selected people would have only small amount of power and individual people would be allowed to decide more of how they live own life.
And probably best practical democracy is that people vote with their money. When government takes about 50 % of what everyone has and decides on behalf of the peasants how it should be used, it is not good for the people.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Because you hold no personal power over me and what I do has no influence over other humans. I am alone in the world as an individual and there is not social about being a human. It is all about me as me and you don't matter at all.
That is the end game for your philosophy.
I’d like to know what Christians feel their values are that Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Daoists, and many others, don’t have. In fact, it could be argued that those groups have a higher degree of values such as nonviolence, regard for life, and respect for others’ beliefs. Moreover, I have yet to get an answer to the question “What Biblical/Christian principles have the US been founded on? Which of these as yet unnamed principles don’t exist in other religions?”
I'm suspecting, then, you aren't talking about Godless values, but rather values without YOUR God. Else I'm finding it hard to reconcile why a Hindu (for example) would be getting their ideas from the ten commandments.
Even amongst Christians, the enormous numbers of denominations and beliefs makes an issue like border policy highly interpretive.
I can't think of a democracy that works that way, though...can you?
It's intended to make decisions more representative. There ARE no guarantees of 'good' decisions, nor common agreement of what 'good' is anyway.
Flawed as most democracies are, politicians are still more accountable than dictators, Emperors or traditional Kings.
Fair enough. In broad terms that seems a somewhat libertarian viewpoint if I'm understanding you correctly.
I'm never sure what people mean when they talk about 'the people' to be honest.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is merely a belief on your part. You could be wrong.
You believe in Him because you are familiar with Him, you were raised with him. If you'd been born in Riyadh, you'd probably be saying these same things about the Quran God.
You say his will is good. The Bible depicts a jealous, vindictive, cruel and capricious God; a gambling God, a genocidal God.
The Bible God will condemn you to an eternity of torture simply for not believing in him. This is usually conveniently overlooked by church leaders.
The Bible God is not a kind, loving or just God.
You have an odd concept of greatness. Do you know what degree of greatness other Gods and religious founders have shown? If not, how can you say this?
Your opinion seems to be built on sand. It's poorly researched and unevidenced. You speak of "reason," ie: critical analysis of well evidenced facts. Religions, including your own, are usually based on faith, not reason.
How would you check this, and what connection can you show between the ten commandments and God?
You present God as an axiom; as a major premise. You have not established the reality of this God.
Conclusions drawn from a fabulous God, depicted in a fabulous book, cannot be called "reasonable."
To me democracy means only that people vote and decision is by majority's will. Democracy itself doesn't quarantine that decisions are good. A king could as well make good decisions.
I think you're conflating American democracy with "modern representative democracy." Not everyone does it the American way.
No. In these cases "the government" is the general public itself, which decides how their taxes are to be used.
High tax countries do seem to be 'good for the people' -- free or affordable education, housing and healthcare, and a robust social safety net. What they spend in taxes is returned tenfold in pubic services, security, and well-being. High tax peoples are happy people, according to international indices.
Can you give one example case?
By what I see, it is no better in any democracy. What do you think is the best democratic country?
Sorry, I don't think that is true.
Maybe, Quran says we should believe Jesus.
Sorry, I don't think that is true. Please show from Bible, where is He gambling and torturing, especially because "not believing in Him"?
Please tell, who is a greater god and why?
I don't know any. I think all democracies are representative, where some people are selected to rule. And I don't believe in any of them voting really matters.
I don't think politicians are accountable in any way. I think they can be as criminal as they can without any consequences from people. The only difference is that a bad king is easier to replace than a group of small dictators that call themselves politicians.
I mean the people that are governed.
Ok, thanks, now I understand, you either didn't read what I said, or you didn't understand it.