TagliatelliMonster
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Sam Bettens - Wikipedia
His children call him "dad". For any and all purposes, he is a father and is called such.
He was born as Sarah Bettens, without a penis.
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Question for anti-trans monotheists
- Thread starter 9-10ths_Penguin
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Sam Bettens - Wikipedia
His children call him "dad". For any and all purposes, he is a father and is called such.
He was born as Sarah Bettens, without a penis.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
And a mother is not the originator of something?
I'ld say the mother has a much bigger role in bringing children into the world then fathers.
In fact, plenty of species don't even require a father. Mothers can fertilize their own eggs in case no fathers are available. The fathers of those species can't do the same though. They can only deposit their seed and a mother is required for the production of off spring.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
For any and all purposes you can call her anything you want to call her. Someone with female organs who bears children is a female.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Good job dodging the point made.
The argument was about perceived identity. That god is perceived as male because he is called "father" in the book.
In the argument, one doesn't require a DNA test of god to see if it contains X and Y chromosomes.
So other criteria are in play. And the only other criteria here, is the use of the word "father".
If that is the logic, then Sam Bettens is male according to the exact same logic.
You may start the special pleading now.
I don't say father has a bigger role, he has a different role and without it, woman would not become pregnant.
"...to be the founder, producer, or author of... ...to place responsibility for the origin or cause of......impose..."
Father Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Also, this is one of my reasons:
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Koldo
Outstanding Member
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Funny how you cut out the part where I informed you that in plenty of species, the females actually don't really require a male. They can fertilize their own eggs when males are not available.
The off spring is better of when there are males available though.
But that's not the point.
The point is that your reasoning is clearly not correct.
In such logic, it would be far more reasonable to conclude the opposite... that this god should be regarded as female.
It was irrelevant, because we were talking about humans. But, in that case, if it is true, the being is both father and mother.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
If you think God has a gender (e.g. if you refer to God with "he/him" pronouns), how did you decide which pronouns apply?
I mean, I assume you aren't basing this on God's chromosomes or genitalia (or are you?
Isn't gender only relevant if there is someone to mate with? Like if God is a man then that implies that there is a woman?
From what I have read in the bible, God is considered a man relative to his people on earth who are collectively a woman. God marries the church as the church is his consort. God's gender then becomes a metaphorical statement.
Based on the opening of genesis, God might not have a gender at all, as it is both masculine and feminine in one. Adam was made in his image, and female, Eve, came out of Adam, implying that at one point Adam was both male and female. When male and female mate they become one, implying that Adam was originally both sexes in one and thus both genders in one. Or maybe it is more accurately to say that back then gender wasnt a concept. So if my theory is what the author intended, then God, who Adam is the image of, is both male and female, man and woman, hence why it has creative power within itself.
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So referring to God with "he" and "him" pronouns is incorrect?
... or they personalized nature by anthropomorphizing it into God.
Samael_Khan
Goosebender
In reference to the collective of his people as his consort then it would be I think. Yahweh being male gender would be a metaphor.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
If you think God has a gender (e.g. if you refer to God with "he/him" pronouns), how did you decide which pronouns apply?
I mean, I assume you aren't basing this on God's chromosomes or genitalia (or are you?
Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 33:17-23 - New International Version
Moses peeked.
Five Solas
Active Member
Believers did not make God...If you think God has a gender (e.g. if you refer to God with "he/him" pronouns), how did you decide which pronouns apply?
I mean, I assume you aren't basing this on God's chromosomes or genitalia (or are you?
Neither did we assign a gender.
Five Solas
Active Member
And in the next phrase you will most probably tell me you follow the science...
If you use a term to describe God (e.g. "him"), the implication is that you agree that the term applies.
If you use the term "him" to describe God, how did you decide that it was appropriate?
Sounds like you have criteria for what you think determines gender.
What are those criteria and how do they apply to God?
Five Solas
Active Member
It was not a choice. It is a given.