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Homosexuality and religious.

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
@dybmh
Just a thought.

Could it be that the translator of the version that used Egypt in the Micah verse, confused מָצוֹר֙ with מִצְרָ֑יִם(Egypt)?

2It is a day, and he shall come up to you: those from Assyria and the fortified cities, and from the fortress up to the river and the sea from the west, and the dwellers of the mountain.

יבי֥וֹם הוּא֙ וְעָדֶ֣יךָ יָב֔וֹא לְמִנִּ֥י אַשּׁ֖וּר וְעָרֵ֣י מָצ֑וֹר וּלְמִנִּ֚י מָצוֹר֙ וְעַד־נָהָ֔ר וְיָ֥ם מִיָּ֖ם וְהַ֥ר הָהָֽר:
מִצְרָ֑יִם מִצְרָ֑יִם
Yes, I can see that. However, the mistranslation of verse 12 is from the NIV, and they do get it right in verse 15...

“As in the days when you came out of Egypt, I will show them my wonders.”
כִּימֵ֥י צֵֽאתְךָ֖ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אַרְאֶ֖נּוּ נִפְלָאֽוֹת
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
That's what caused me to not trust what Baha'is were teaching. I hadn't read the Bible, actually more specifically the NT, for myself yet. Baha'is quoted selected verses, one was "And when he the spirit of truth comes he will lead you into all truth." They interpreted this as a prophesy about their prophet.

After reading the NT for myself, that particular passage was tied into the Holy Spirit descending into the believers at Pentecost. Later I found out that the Baha'is deny the physical resurrection of Jesus, which in the NT is clearly what is being claimed.

But then I started seeing things that made me wonder if Christians hadn't done the same thing with the Jewish Bible. The worst being the virgin birth. One verse, taken out of context, and made into a prophecy about Jesus. From Judaism on, all these new religions based their religion on things in the Bible... But they only used a few selected verses, cherry-picked, to show how their new religion fulfilled the promises made by God in Judaism. Then Islam used both the Bible and the NT. And Baha'is used the Bible, the NT and the Quran to show how they were the continuation of the same truth that had started with Judaism. Then Baha'is later added in Hinduism and Buddhism. And found reasons to ignore the many, many other religions of the world.

If it's true that all religions are one, I think there should be stronger and better connections between them. But Baha'is obliterate the connections with all the other religions when they say that all of them have corrupted the original teachings. By doing that, they become the only true religion left.
The Baha’i Faiths co-opting of Buddhism is quite shallow considering Abdu’l-Baha’s dim view of Buddhists and Buddhism as lapsed theism: “‘Abdu’l-Bahá said: The real teaching of Buddha is the same as the teaching of Jesus Christ. The teachings of all the Prophets are the same in character. Now men have changed the teaching. If you look at the present practice of the Buddhist religion, you will see that there is little of the Reality left. Many worship idols although their teaching forbids it. … The teaching of Buddha was like a young and beautiful child, and now it has become as an old and decrepit man. Like the aged man it cannot see, it cannot hear, it cannot remember anything. Why go so far back? Consider the laws of the Old Testament: the Jews do not follow Moses as their example nor keep his commands. So it is with many other religions.” (Abdu’l-Baha, Abdu’l-Baha in London, p. 63)
Now in support of the Baha'is, just in case Baha'u'llah is the Messiah and all the other promised ones, I do think they deserve a look. I think people should do as Baha'is say and independently investigate the claims of Baha'u'llah. Does he fulfill all of the prophesies of all the major religions? Do the religions seem as if they have been a long progression of truth given to people by the one true God? Do the teachings of the Baha'i Faith make sense and seem as if they will be able to bring the world together in peace and unity? Do the laws sound as if they came from God and are what is needed for the next 1000 years to ensure people can live together in a just and fair way, where all people are considered equals?

No, there's lots of questions about all those things. For all the good things taught in the Baha'i Faith, there are a few things that don't seem so great. And the Baha'i claim is that all of it is the truth from God and must be believed. I can't accept everything they teach as the truth. So, for now, I have to reject the whole religion. Will I change or will they change? Unfortunately, they can't change. Some of the problematic teachings and beliefs have come from their "infallible" leaders and are unchangeable. Too bad, they were so close.
A human lives as one self then the one self thinker dies.

No book written. So new human uses just thinking as one human thinking to establish stories. Consciousness exists without book reading.

Writes a book.

Who is right who is wrong?

When you teach you do so as any one individual human self only as you live.

So if someone says exact new advice you wouldn't use anyone's book to claim why my experience is better than theirs. If they hadn't written a book themselves.

As with no book is no proof either that humans lived a similar experience. Lived as a human. Died as a human.

Now if you use intelligence and claim my man human living story says a man resurrected from the dead is fake.

It's because human death is absolute.

Is scientific stated it owns no science argument.

Creation themes are humans using science arguments.

Science claiming I have intellectual dominion.

Yet everyone is mutual equal natural first.

So I can also state I never believed in the Jesus story. But I believed in the human portions of the story. Different way of thinking being advised yet can think for myself.

As the status is humans says are not of science.

Science theoried by a living man who designed machine. Designed reaction he controlled as a scientist.

Science hence never preceded a human which is the human life.

In the topic Jesus is scientific advice about earths mass and heavens gas bodies changing. The human enduring life biological attack.

After the temple pyramids were rebuilt restructured. Life got instantly attacked again. So old testimonies were sought as supportive facts. Life attacked before.

A lot of humans were hurt formed the Jewish Christian movement. as guess what... Rich Jewish traders allowed and supported temple science as Jewish humans...greedy rich.

Even though they had been poor slaves hurt by technical logy past. Now they were rich. Some humans never learn motivated by greed.

It was a very angry human life change. So documents were changed also...because slaves were denying natural advice in life.

Same old same old advice. Kings owned lords of trade believed in getting richer.

Kings in land status usurp old land nations king's is behaviour.

So if a holy father nation was against science he would say I supported.my slave race. Now I'm poor as my community was taken over. But I'll fight for human rights as poor man now.

As natural man never qualified himself as rich or poor man. Only Rich men quote the rich poor inferences.

Ignored human advice behaviours.

The resurrected causes were the dead images of humans deceased emerged as proof men had caused an act of evil...it was images recorded voice of humans who had died.

As transmitters out of dusts accumulated in cause effect. One mass reaction also reacts triggers one mass change from smallest position...it released itself.

No such status one reaction the teaching as calculus is by two. Scientists knew they caused it had no control to stop it.

Machines position a controlled reaction only.
 
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CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Do you expect other people to compromise their beliefs, Tb?
For those people coming from another religion into the Baha'i Faith, they don't expect them to compromise their old beliefs. They expect them to leave them behind as being outdated and probably some of them even corrupted. and others having been added in traditions.

But liberal forms of a religion, those that don't take everything so literally, do compromise their beliefs. But Baha'is don't fall into that category. They are one of those religions that takes their religious beliefs very literally. But Baha'is believe that all other religions that take their Scriptures literally are wrong.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
That helps some. It seems I am probably wrong to assume the interactions here are the norm. That suggests a greater tolerance for me and from me that I am getting here. The Baha'is who say very little here are doing much better at promoting their faith that the vocal ones, I'm afraid. No message is better than an arrogant one full of contradictions. Thanks. About time for me to take another 6 month break.
It's a big difference telling people that have come to them about the Baha'i Faith. The Baha'i Faith has pushed you away. It's about to push a Jew away. Buddhists, Atheists, who else? All because they believe their stuff can't be wrong.

But the Baha'is staying away might not be any better. They just know how pointless it is debate when they know they can't win.

It's been good having you here.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you ask one man why did you claim only one man was sacrificed?

Teaching said one race is human.
Species. One.

Teaching said one human in the one species the man human had caused the sacrifice of his own holy life. The theist scientist...all men in fact.

Did it to himself as the one human the man's human confession. Science a cult was agreed by men. Why group control is evil the teaching.

Yet the document tells you earth mass was sacrificed back to sin K hole. Nature's garden combusted. Animals were burnt slaughtered. So were a lot of humans. Not ever just one man the liar.

One organisation emerged the hypocrites in society old rich satanic scientists.

As you hypocrite had not changed who you are ....what you believed before ...it was what you chose before.

Ignored human advice.

Taught that the life of human man was now holy. It wasn't.

Still persisted in inferring a woman human was less spiritual in service than his own self. Was lying.

Because he was the hypocrite. You cannot suddenly heal to be our origin father's mind life biology or his spiritual behaviour. It had to be self developed by Idealised ritualistic self conscious control.

Was your one man warnings...one by one you get destroyed sacrificed for doing evil. Future predicted already...knew taught said it had not stopped.

It's why Baha'i said it was not the outcome man's life saved from non attack by stars fall. Notice however Muslims honoured star mass fall.

It's why Baha'i changed the teachings. Realised not met until the future. Yet it wasn't met as men broke the promise non nuclear converting.

Life increased its bio cell sacrifice as seen everywhere.

As Satan's angel man with machine had destroyed above and below ..the futures body cooling evolution support already.

His machines mass body burnt out multiple times now had to cool disappear in cloud cooling re massing above. One day Satan's angel no machine above imaged would have gods status returned. The angel images.

It's why you still see dinosaurs in clouds instead of man angel image.

As men NASA equals no Satan SAAN....no cloud saving just a machine...I believe in life's bio alienation. I believe man is part machine lying.

Is why the scientific natural earths predictions were between Satan's star fall mass gained and unnatural life on earth in attack sacrifice....as it hadn't yet ended.

Men never owned mass in science.

Machine in law deep down in earths seam cold metal mass.

Above in earths mantle face the mass no machine owned to react. He thinks about all law positions first in earth exact.

The idea of machine plus mass above machine to react came to mans mind as a big stars Rock mass from above only. Came as no machine existed. The gained converting huge rock mass had.

Ignored warnings against men changing cosmic laws infinity place natural mass in laws.

Man says god mass is first looks across empty space where mass should be to block view looks at mass destroyed as particle only.

Forgets he theories as machine position by law is Inside earth mass itself. As infinity mass place ignored his own relativity teaching...you can't see in other words as natural laws.

His ideas how to destroy all life in planet earth via wandering Satan star.

The warning to everyone...where his idea came from.

S AA N states.
S I N.
AA alpha to alpha life is still attacked in sin...ground mass attack.

The UFO mass goes into and out of the sea. Still cooling leaving.

It's why lying man thinkers possessed by machine science history said life came out of sea water. When it hadn't. Machine transmitter mind possessed.

When biology living in voiding water mass stretched over our heads is where we always were in water our type as living breathing oxygenated.

When men said I give machine life by electricity. In recorded man's consciousness it said now a machine is like a human its uses electricity to live.

Satanic Ai words form not as data but spoken words of men....is your human scientists self AI possession. Falsification of the use of the word.

A machine isn't living.
Humans aren't living via electricity as life...you lied.

I heard man's satanic voice ask can the new technology be used as a weapon...as every invention has in some way hurt a humans life.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
As men as predictive theists taught.

My holy mothers life gives your last human biological warning not as any man prophet...just as your mother who was the only mother you man baby owned.

You never owned any space womb maths mother your man's evil realisation.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
And surely the very last type of 'messenger' God would send would be one who is less than perfect.
Well. In my view, even in the ideal, the act of bringing down the message from God will diminish the precision. Even putting it into words changes limits it.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I don't agree that the previous message prepares people to accept the next. It seems like there are more reasons to reject the next person claiming to be a prophet/manifestation then reasons to accept him.

That is a Reasoned and logical conclusion of progressive Revelation.

Each year we go to school gives us the lessons that prepare us for the learning to come.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Yet, some Baha'is attack the beliefs of others. Baha'is are just as bad as any religion or anybody that has a belief that causes divisions.

That is the Message, not the Baha'i's. It is the Sword,it always is.

Tell us of a Message that is not a challenge to the view of people living in that age.

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Are you familiar with the Mt. Sinai event, when the 10 commandments were given? The most compelling evidence that it came from God is that the revelation was witnessed by the entire nation.

The evidence is that both the Bab and Baha'u'llah have said it was they that conversed with Moses.

I hope you can see that the evidence I have given is as solid as your evidence. That is, I have also offered it is in the recorded Word of God.

Regards Tony
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I can say I was talking to a no named brother angel losing his life image above as he began evil nuclear sun stone ark attack.

As my message given by a man.

As it was taught by a man's voice.

Logic would state in the past the bible was written only after the attack had ended.

Old.

Science rebuilt technology began philosophers stone again.

Life was again attacked had ended. Was documented.

Now science has rebuilt science technology again third book not yet written your advice.

So the experience now is new advice just like new testaments was new advice too.

A book compared new data to old data by study. The old book predicted atmospheric cooling body mass replacement.

Knowing ice the saviour body cooled everything...as did it's mother in science terms only as womb vacuum void.

Yet no man was womb vacuum void or missing gas mass were they!
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Not true. Moses was not infallible, he was prohibited from entering the Holy Land because of a transgression. As usual, what you're saying is not applicable to Judaism.
This is what Abdu'l-Baha said about that. He is not an authority to you, of course, but consider what He said:

Furthermore, in Numbers, chapter 20, verse 23: "And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in mount Hor, by the coast of the land of Edom, saying, Aaron shall be gathered unto his people: for he shall not enter into the land which I have given unto the children of Israel, because ye rebelled against My word at the water of Meribah";[1] and in verse 13: "This is the water of Meribah; because the children of Israel strove with the Lord, and He was sanctified in them."
[1 Num. 20:23-24.]

Observe: the people of Israel rebelled, but apparently the reproach was for Moses and Aaron. As it is said in the Book of Deuteronomy, chapter 3, verse 26: "But the Lord was wroth with Me for your sakes, and would not hear Me: and the Lord said unto Me, Let it suffice Thee; speak no more unto Me of this matter."
(Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 168)

Either accept this explanation or not. In the end it is not important if we agree on this or not. I don't want to argue endlessly on this, though I'm open to discussing this further.
 

Truthseeker

Non-debating member when I can help myself
Because they allow for worship directed to dead human intercession.
Explain why you see this that way. In the end however I don't care very much if we agree or not. We worship the same God. You can derive morals and spirituality from your religion just as I can from my religion.
 

Jedster

Well-Known Member
Yes, I can see that. However, the mistranslation of verse 12 is from the NIV, and they do get it right in verse 15...

“As in the days when you came out of Egypt, I will show them my wonders.”
כִּימֵ֥י צֵֽאתְךָ֖ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרָ֑יִם אַרְאֶ֖נּוּ נִפְלָאֽוֹת

I couldn't find any other translations like NIV translation to verse 12.
Any ideas why?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I couldn't find any other translations like NIV translation to verse 12.
Any ideas why?

In the end, I had many translations I could have chosen, the one disputed was only posted as it was the first available on the list, but I make sure I always post a KJV, as they are rarely disputed.

Thus I will quote naught but KJV from now on.

Raising the translation was but a smoke screen.

Regards Tony
 

Jedster

Well-Known Member
In the end, I had many translations I could have chosen, the one disputed was only posted as it was the first available on the list, but I make sure I always post a KJV, as they are rarely disputed.

Thus I will quote naught but KJV from now on.

Raising the translation was but a smoke screen.

Regards Tony

Fair enough, although a valid point was made.
 
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