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Bahai without Muhammad, Sufism without Islam

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
A Baha'i embraces all the Messengers and Prophets, to which Muhammad is the seal of the Prophets. That is the message. It cannot be taken out of the Message.

Regards Tony
And right there we already enter into unsolvable conflicts and contradictions.

It is not really possible to reinterpret non-Abrahamic religion into Abrahamic parameters without damaging their purposes. Nor can Muhammad's teachings be embraced without acceptance of his repudiations of, well, pretty much any other creeds, including the Judaism and Christianity that he purported to be salvaging.

And there is the little matter of the idea of a seal of the prophets. It is not really compatible with any non-Muslim belief, and purposefully so.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The Unitarian/Universalists believe basically the same thing without the baggage of B man philosophy. I don't believe they do much better at identifying the truth than the B man though.
Ahmadiyya Muslims are also very similar.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
The fact that Baha'i misrepresents what the Bible says, changes it and denies it also, and then teaches that it believes it and tricks Christians and others to join the Baha'i religion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, on the basis of lies, shows the fruits of Baha'u'llah. His fruits are bad and so he is a false prophet.
People need to be told about the lies but interestingly enough I have not found anyone who became a Baha'i to be much worried about the truth.
It's the same for all religions except Baha'i. The acceptance of all religions is just a token nicety, and it takes very little investigation to figure that out. Fortunately for the other religions, it's a very small group most likely less than a million adherents, limited to Iranians disgruntled with parts of Islam, and western people of the 60s looking for a way to peace.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
John 10:27

My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me.

Say, Lo! The Father is come, and that which ye were promised in the Kingdom is fulfilled! This is the Word which the Son concealed, when to those around Him He said: “Ye cannot bear it now.” And when the appointed time was fulfilled and the Hour had struck, the Word shone forth above the horizon of the Will of God. Beware, O followers of the Son, that ye cast it not behind your backs. Take ye fast hold of it. Better is this for you than all that ye possess. Verily He is nigh unto them that do good. The Hour which We had concealed from the knowledge of the peoples of the earth and of the favored angels hath come to pass. Say, verily, He hath testified of Me, and I do testify of Him. Indeed, He hath purposed no one other than Me. Unto this beareth witness every fair-minded and understanding soul.

Say: Blessed the slumberer who is awakened by My Breeze. Blessed the lifeless one who is quickened through My reviving breaths. Blessed the eye that is solaced by gazing at My beauty. (Baha’u’llah)

Christians have been warned about false prophets and false Christs and we do know His voice. When Jesus gives us warnings we listen to them. We don't listen to the one who comes along and tells us that those warnings are not true and that we should understand them to mean what he (Baha'u'llah) tells us they mean.
When I read the Baha'u'llah quote above I notice that he calls himself the Father but claims to be the return of the Son.
I notice that he is putting ideas into Jesus words that aren't there and that these ideas are for the glory of Baha'u'llah, not for the glory of Jesus. Sort of the opposite of what the Spirit of Truth would do (see John 16:13,14)
I notice he says that being a Baha'i is better than being a Christian when the reality is that Baha'u'llah offers less than what Jesus gives and promised that He and the Father and the Holy Spirit would come and live with Christians and in them forever to give us eternal life and to guide us into all truth. What could Baha'u'llah offer that is better than that?
I notice he spends the rest of the quote glorifying himself and saying he is testifying of Jesus.
The truth is that Jesus said that He personally would come back and the truth is that the Spirit of Truth is promised to the disciples that Jesus was speaking to 2000 years ago and is promised to be
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
John 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

These are things that the Baha'i has to deny about the Bible together with a thousand other things.
Love Jesus by listening to Him.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
Christians have been warned about false prophets and false Christs and we do know His voice. When Jesus gives us warnings we listen to them. We don't listen to the one who comes along and tells us that those warnings are not true and that we should understand them to mean what he (Baha'u'llah) tells us they mean.
When I read the Baha'u'llah quote above I notice that he calls himself the Father but claims to be the return of the Son.
I notice that he is putting ideas into Jesus words that aren't there and that these ideas are for the glory of Baha'u'llah, not for the glory of Jesus. Sort of the opposite of what the Spirit of Truth would do (see John 16:13,14)
I notice he says that being a Baha'i is better than being a Christian when the reality is that Baha'u'llah offers less than what Jesus gives and promised that He and the Father and the Holy Spirit would come and live with Christians and in them forever to give us eternal life and to guide us into all truth. What could Baha'u'llah offer that is better than that?
I notice he spends the rest of the quote glorifying himself and saying he is testifying of Jesus.
The truth is that Jesus said that He personally would come back and the truth is that the Spirit of Truth is promised to the disciples that Jesus was speaking to 2000 years ago and is promised to be
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
John 14:15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
John 14:25 “All this I have spoken while still with you. 26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

These are things that the Baha'i has to deny about the Bible together with a thousand other things.
Love Jesus by listening to Him.

Out of billions of Christians I am dumbfounded and struck with awe that God has opened my eyes to see the truth that He has come. I am so blessed to have recognised Baha’u’llah, the Father as Christ promised even though I am fully aware I never deserved this blessing. God bless.
 
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