[Poll] Vegan vs Carnivore

Eddi · Oct 5, 2022

Wildswanderer said:

There are plenty of muscular animals who eat a vegan diet.....

Elephants
Gorillas
Hippopotamuses
Rhinoseroses

Are these beasts not muscle-bound?????

I'm sure there are other examples too

fantome profane · Oct 5, 2022

Healthier for who?

I think a vegan diet is healthier for the planet.

Shadow Wolf · Oct 5, 2022

Wildswanderer said:
Fat is needed to build cell membranes, the vital exterior of each cell, and the sheaths surrounding nerves. It is essential for blood clotting, muscle movement, and inflammation. For long-term health, some fats are better than others. Good fats include monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. Bad ones include industrial-made trans fats. Saturated fats fall somewhere in the middle.

So what you should really avoid is deep fried food.

Deep fried foods, beef, pork, lard, things high in saturated fats (though not totally avoided).
The good fats are things like fish oil, olive oil or peanut oil (basically liquid at room temperature).

Left Coast · Oct 5, 2022

spiritual5142 said:
By carnivore I mean ketogenic carnivore diet in which mainly fatty animal meat is eaten without anything else such as grains vegetables etc.

In vegan diet anything sourced from animals are not eaten, everything else is allowed.

This weird keto carnivore diet sounds horrible for your long term health. Likely to deprive you of nutrients from plants and drive up your cholesterol, leading to likely heart issues.

That said vegan=/=healthy. Lots of vegan foods are unhealthy I'd say, particularly the heavily processed stuff. Whole food plant based would be preferable. Personally I'm vegetarian and eat some eggs and cheese on occasion, but maintain a primarily plant based diet.

Secret Chief · Oct 5, 2022

Shadow Wolf said:
He looks ok amd just fine and normal to me.

Ah, but he's grown a beard to hide that chicken neck.

We Never Know · Oct 5, 2022

spiritual5142 said:
By carnivore I mean ketogenic carnivore diet in which mainly fatty animal meat is eaten without anything else such as grains vegetables etc.

In vegan diet anything sourced from animals are not eaten, everything else is allowed.

Imo it depends on the person, their tastes, their metabolism, their nutrient needs, etc.

Saint Frankenstein · Oct 5, 2022

Wildswanderer said:
Well I knew a vegetarian who was the only actual white person I ever saw... I mean white like a sheet of paper. Didn't look very healthy to me.

Yeah, the singer of my favorite band is vegan and straight edge and sometimes I wonder if he has AIDS. It's like having wasting syndrome.

The Sum of Awe · Oct 5, 2022

Saint Frankenstein said:
I think meat is healthier than no meat at all, but I think these fad diets are bs.

If I understand it correctly, the keto diet has been shown to work. At least I have a friend who is on it and works out a lot, and he's simultaneously skinny but very ripped and he somehow can tell the percentage of body fat that he has (I never asked him how he figured it out I'll ask him next time)

The Sum of Awe · Oct 5, 2022

It would be exhausting to watch everything you eat. If you want to lose weight eat more veggies, if you want to gain weight eat more protein.

lewisnotmiller · Oct 5, 2022

Of those choices? Veganism.
But it's a false dichotomy.

Heyo · Oct 5, 2022

spiritual5142 said:
By carnivore I mean ketogenic carnivore diet in which mainly fatty animal meat is eaten without anything else such as grains vegetables etc.

In vegan diet anything sourced from animals are not eaten, everything else is allowed.

Again a poll about a thing that isn't decided by majority opinion.

spiritual5142 · Oct 6, 2022

Wildswanderer said:

I have seen a couple of dr baker's videos this guy is really cool.

Wildswanderer · Oct 6, 2022

Secret Chief said:
You haven't a clue have you? You think many long-term vegans are going to change over to eat meat because the animal killed was "regeneratively raised" ?

I think if they understand the truth about the effects of raising soybeans for example, on the environment vs a cow in a pasture who actually regenerates the soil, they would reconsider their stance, which many have.

Vinayaka · Oct 6, 2022

The Sum of Awe said:
It would be exhausting to watch everything you eat. If you want to lose weight eat more veggies, if you want to gain weight eat more protein.

Protein? Surely you meant carbohydrate.

Secret Chief · Oct 6, 2022

Wildswanderer said:
I think if they understand the truth about the effects of raising soybeans for example, on the environment vs a cow in a pasture who actually regenerates the soil, they would reconsider their stance, which many have.

You must know more vegetarians and vegans than me.

"Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan."

- Why go vegan?
The Vegan Society

Mock Turtle · Oct 6, 2022

Eddi said:
There are plenty of muscular animals who eat a vegan diet.....

Elephants
Gorillas
Hippopotamuses
Rhinoseroses

Are these beasts not muscle-bound?????

I'm sure there are other examples too

Like the gorilla - the largest and most powerful of the non-human primates.

Wildswanderer · Oct 6, 2022

Secret Chief said:
You must know more vegetarians and vegans than me.

"Preventing the exploitation of animals is not the only reason for becoming vegan, but for many it remains the key factor in their decision to go vegan and stay vegan."

- Why go vegan?
The Vegan Society

As opposed to killing more animals by raising more crops?
In the cow on grass example, only one animal dies. In the clearing of habitat, raising and harvesting of any kind of crops, thousands to millions die.

Secret Chief · Oct 6, 2022

Wildswanderer said:
As opposed to killing more animals by raising more crops?
In the cow on grass example, only one animal dies. In the clearing of habitat, raising and harvesting of any kind of crops, thousands to millions die.

My, you really know what you're talking about.

"Between 1970 and 2014, global populations of mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, and birds declined by 60%. One major reason: where and how we produce food.
The production of meat, poultry, dairy, and seafood contributes significantly to habitat loss as well as greenhouse gas emissions and water use. This is because it doesn’t just take resources to raise the animals themselves but also to produce their feed.
Our goal for 2030 is to reduce the key impacts of animal protein by 50% per gram of protein in the US and by 20% globally."

- Why WWF cares about meat, poultry, dairy, and seafood

Enjoy the rest of your day.

metis · Oct 6, 2022

Vegan is clearly better to the point that the AMA says the Ornish Diet is even better than theirs.

BTW, I am on neither, but I do eat relatively little meat: 2-3 per week including all meals, and most of them are fish or chicken.

Quagmire · Oct 6, 2022

Secret Chief said:
My, you really know what you're talking about.

"Between 1970 and 2014, global populations of mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, and birds declined by 60%. One major reason: where and how we produce food.
The production of meat, poultry, dairy, and seafood contributes significantly to habitat loss as well as greenhouse gas emissions and water use. This is because it doesn’t just take resources to raise the animals themselves but also to produce their feed.
Our goal for 2030 is to reduce the key impacts of animal protein by 50% per gram of protein in the US and by 20% globally."

This is worth a watch:

Secret Chief said:
- Why WWF cares about meat, poultry, dairy, and seafood

Enjoy the rest of your day.

Oh, the World Wildlife Fund.

When I first saw your link I was like, "Why would the World Wrestling Federation care about all this"?

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