I suspect we may be onto a fascinating look into how humans work. Our dialogue may help future anthropologists discover just how many ways humans can avoid answering a simple question.
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Homosexuality and religious.
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Well, you Bahai never engage with God. You don't even engage with your Messenger since he's dead. All you have are words on paper. You treat the words as if they are absolute and true, yet have no way to understand this is true in any way.
At best you Bahai should be treating these texts as general guidelines that are subject to agreement among a current leadership. Unless a God shows up in "person" and starts confirming everything the Messenger wrote you believers have no reasonable motive to think they are absolute and from a God.
I never said it was moral or immoral. I think it is something that isn't subject to any moral judgment. Riding a bicycle isn't moral or immoral, and I think gays having consenual sex is in the same category. The only groups who have a proble with gays having sex are religious, and these religions have existed before a time when social tolerance was not common anywhere. The world has grown up, religions have not. To my mind the prohibition Bahai has against sex they don't approve of is immora;. I think their judgmen is immoral because religions are in a position of influence and ower and they have a huge responsibility to guide people in a diverse world. And intolerance and condemnation of sex among consensual adults is no one's business. Moral positions tend to be valid when there are parties that could be harmed by other people or organizations. we can say pollution is immoral because it hurts public health. Hitting people is immoral because it harms victims. Having consensual sex among consenting adults harms no one. The religious arguments are that it hurts God. Well, no Gods are known to exist, so there is no material victim, so the argument fails. Believers can produce their God and this God can testify.
We all say what we think. It depends who has the factual arguments, and it isn't theists.
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I suspect we may be onto a fascinating look into how humans work. Our dialogue may help future anthropologists discover just how many ways humans can avoid answering a simple question.
Hey -- you could be famous!
But at least I am happy and not full of hate. This is directly for you...
Unnatural
1. contrary to the ordinary course of nature; abnormal.
"death by unnatural causes"
https://www.google.com/search?q=unn...l2j0i512l5.5620j1j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Do you really want an anatomy lesson or discussion about the birds and bees?
No problem for most Baha'i events.
I think the USA Baha'i National Spiritual Assembly have provided good guidance on this topic in it entirety.
The Baha’i Teachings and Homosexuality
Regards Tony
Very nice -- except you still did total avoidance. You will not answer my questions, I will not ask you again. I consider that dishonest, you may consider it how you like.
I have tried to demonstrate to you that people who are oppressed, fight back, and people who are not oppressed (in the same context) can't understand why. I now have a very good perspective on your level of understanding.
I shall move on. You will stay where you are, and remain hateful.
I am amazed people ask such questions.
But I will admit, I can never come to terms with such activity anyway, must be part of my nature and nurture.
My guess Nature and Nurture is a key to understanding this topic a lot better as well.
As I have a son who is gay, I have considered all this in deep reflection, he had great turmoil in the very important development years.
Regards Tony
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What and how I grew up doesn't have any bearing on how you are, so they don't matter.
Whether I experienced what you did or not, don't agree with you, or don't carry your same hate doesn't make me the bad person.
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I was going to cut and paste the question here.....
Stupid Questions
but my higher nature overcame my lower nature
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Since its the topic....
“Gay men have, on average, a greater number of older brothers than do heterosexual men, a well-known finding within sexual science,” wrote the researchers from Canada’s Brock University, the University of Toronto, and Harvard Medical School in a study published in the scientific journal PNAS."
What could explain such a phenomenon? The answer may be linked to a specific kind of antibody produced in some mothers who carry male fetuses. This Y-linked protein, NLGN4Y, may be associated with early fetal brain development. And that could have implications for a woman’s future offspring, as the protein may become more prevalent after the birth of the first male child."
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1705895114
“Gay men have, on average, a greater number of older brothers than do heterosexual men, a well-known finding within sexual science,” wrote the researchers from Canada’s Brock University, the University of Toronto, and Harvard Medical School in a study published in the scientific journal PNAS."
What could explain such a phenomenon? The answer may be linked to a specific kind of antibody produced in some mothers who carry male fetuses. This Y-linked protein, NLGN4Y, may be associated with early fetal brain development. And that could have implications for a woman’s future offspring, as the protein may become more prevalent after the birth of the first male child."
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1705895114
I would say that psychology is more relevant. In 1973 homosexuality was removed from the DMS as it was no longer considered a mental disorder.
Out of DSM: Depathologizing Homosexuality
CG Didymus
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When was there a time when there wasn't homosexuality? Did it ever cause a crisis of not enough babies?
CG Didymus
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So, I don't get it. They really believe they are not prejudiced, but they also believe that any person that is sexually attracted to a person of the same gender should not have sex with that person? But that's not being prejudiced? That is not "depriving" them of something they want to do?
Trailblazer
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That happens to me a lot, when I am aware of my lower nature trying to speak and I am able to let my higher nature take over.but my higher nature overcame my lower nature
Trailblazer
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Why would it have ever been considered a mental disorder?
Trailblazer
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No, because there were always an ample number of heterosexuals having sex in order to produce enough babies.
Trailblazer
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So what? People want to do a lot of things, but that does not mean they have to do them.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Okay, you and other Baha'is believe homosexuality is immoral. But you're not prejudiced against them for doing an immoral sexual act? And again, just to make sure this isn't some religious superstition, what scientific data do you have to support that homosexuality is immoral?
Trailblazer
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Look at that, my post was #2900.
People sure do like to talk about sex.
People sure do like to talk about sex.