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Satanist leads prayer at city council meeting

danieldemol

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hockeycowboy said:
@Estro Felino is not ‘burying her head in the sand’! She simply has standards that she’s sticking to.
(I applaud her for it.)
What are your standards? Anything goes, eh?
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Her standards of not listening then judging on the basis of what she hasn't heard can be accurately described as burying her head in the sand.

As for my standards I certainly never claimed that anything goes.

In my opinion.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
What does the Bible have to do with the U.S. government, or citizens who aren't Christian?
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Freedom of religion is not limitless in the United States.
If there is a religion (I am not speaking of this one of the video, at all) whose purpose is to target certain citizens and to harm them, that religion cannot be tolerated.
And I am speaking of American jurisprudence.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Estro Felino said:
As a Christian, I will not watch the video.
In my country there is no recognition or legal protection about such kind of religions, since they have never clarified what their purposes are, and whether their purposes are either directly or indirectly not conductive of the common good.
That is, by constitution a religion must demonstrate it founds itself upon good customs, which means their pillars must be ethical and aimed at not harming anyone.
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But...but the...but how did...but what about...

Meh.
Let's try this another way...

Is this a fair translation of Article 8 of the Italian Constitution?

Article 8 [Religion]
(1) All religious denominations shall be equally free before the law.

(2) Religious denominations other than Catholic shall have the right to organize themselves according to their own by-laws provided that they are not in conflict with the Italian legal system.

(3) Their relations with the State shall be regulated by law on the basis of agreements with their respective representatives.

Source : Refworld | Constitution of Italy
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Estro Felino said:
Freedom of religion is not limitless in the United States.
If there is a religion (I am not speaking of this one of the video, at all) whose purpose is to target certain citizens and to harm them, that religion cannot be tolerated.
And I am speaking of American jurisprudence.
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Religious freedom doesn't allow one to break other laws on religious grounds.
 
Aštra’el

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
The quality of so-called “Satanists” these days is disappointing. I just see weakness and attention seeking.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
lewisnotmiller said:
But...but the...but how did...but what about...

Meh.
Let's try this another way...

Is this a fair translation of Article 8 of the Italian Constitution?

Article 8 [Religion]
(1) All religious denominations shall be equally free before the law.

(2) Religious denominations other than Catholic shall have the right to organize themselves according to their own by-laws provided that they are not in conflict with the Italian legal system.

(3) Their relations with the State shall be regulated by law on the basis of agreements with their respective representatives.

Source : Refworld | Constitution of Italy
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As you can see, the third paragraph says that in order to be recognized as religions, they need to sign an agreement with the Italian State.
But it is very difficult the Italian State signs, unless the religion in question demonstrates that its purpose and principles are conductive of the common good, that are in harmony with the principles of honesty, freedom, tolerance, and social cooperation.
That is, the followers of religion need to prove they propagandize their creed in order to spread positive values of union, cooperation, good customs.
Read the article 19 about good customs.
 
Viker

Viker

Häxan
For our dear friend, @Estro Felino and anyone else that may be interested:


The Nine Satanic Statements
by Anton Szandor LaVey

The Nine Satanic Statements originally appeared in The Satanic Bible, © 1969

  • Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
  • Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
  • Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
  • Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
  • Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
  • Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
  • Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
  • Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
  • Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey
© 1967

  • Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
  • Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
  • When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
  • If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
  • Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  • Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
  • Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
  • Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
  • Do not harm little children.
  • Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  • When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS of the Temple of Satan


I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Viker said:
For our dear friend, @Estro Felino and anyone else that may be interested:


The Nine Satanic Statements
by Anton Szandor LaVey

The Nine Satanic Statements originally appeared in The Satanic Bible, © 1969

  • Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
  • Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
  • Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
  • Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
  • Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!
  • Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!
  • Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!
  • Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!
  • Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!
The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth
by Anton Szandor LaVey
© 1967

  • Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
  • Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
  • When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
  • If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
  • Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  • Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
  • Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
  • Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
  • Do not harm little children.
  • Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  • When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.


SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS of the Temple of Satan


I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word
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Thank you so much. It is very informative and useful.
:)
And reassuring.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Viker said:
You're welcome. And remember the Church of Satan and The Satanic Temple are separate organizations. There may be other groups but those are the largest and loudest. :)
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The problem is that there is so much ignorance on the subject ( me included). So if there were more correct information, people would have a clear idea of what we are dealing with.
Because Satanism is too generic. Too generic.
 
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