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UK's Labour Party Surges to Largest Poll Lead in over Two Decades, Ahead of Conservatives

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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After the far-right win in Italy, this is some refreshing news:

Sept 26 (Reuters) - Britain's Labour party rose to its largest poll lead in over two decades over the Conservative party, The Times reported on Monday, citing YouGov poll for the publication.

Last week, Finance Minister Kwasi Kwarteng unleashed historic tax cuts, ditched the cap on bankers' bonuses and announced huge increases in borrowing in a fiscal statement which sent markets into a tailspin.

The opposition party is 17 points ahead of the Conservatives, a level of support not seen since 2001 when Labour's Tony Blair was prime minister, the report said.

UK's Labour party surges to largest poll lead over Conservatives -The Times

I wish Britain the best and hope it, like France and Germany, also ends up voting against conservatism.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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Everyone is sick of Thatcherite economics. It's sad because as a conservative I'm a One Nation Conservative (not the fake BoJo kind, either). These Tory people keep giving me and my ilk a bad name.

These ONC ideas have long since left though and it's all about New-Right Thatcherite economics.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Everyone is sick of Thatcherite economics. It's sad because as a conservative I'm a One Nation Conservative (not the fake BoJo kind, either) One-nation conservatism - Wikipedia. These people keep giving me and my ilk a bad name.

These ideas have long since left though and it's all about Neo-Right Thatcherite economics.

In my opinion, recent political trends reinforce that economic policies aimed at tackling the concerns of the average citizen are much more likely to tip the scales in elections than social policies alone. This is a lesson I wish more left-leaning parties in different countries could be more mindful of.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Everyone is sick of Thatcherite economics. It's sad because as a conservative I'm a One Nation Conservative (not the fake BoJo kind, either). These Tory people keep giving me and my ilk a bad name.

These ONC ideas have long since left though and it's all about New-Right Thatcherite economics.
Not even Thatcher, though. She was someone who believed in balancing the books. This is more Erdogan.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
I wish Britain the best and hope it, like France and Germany, also ends up voting against conservatism.
I hear the Labour Conference passed motions calling for PR and renationalising the railways. I'd like both of those but my expectation is that Starmer will jettison anything that might offend the Sun or Daily Mail before the election and will run the country like a middle-of-the-road Tory if Labour win.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The next UK general election should be no later than Jan 2025 who's is both an age a just around the corner political wise.
Our new Thatcherite government.does not have a snowballs chance in hell to see any positive results from its new financial policies by then. That is even if there ever will be any, which is very unlikely.

Labour are likely to win by default, and not because anyone can see anything special in their policies so far.
They have a 17 point lead over the Tories at the moment, which is about what they need to get an overall majority.
As usual in recent years, a more likely result is a hung parliament.

However I can not see them leading any sort of coalition government, as their present party rules do not permit that.
They do of course have two opportunities to change that rule during the next two party conferences, but it would be difficult to arrive at a majority for that, as the unions and left wing would not support it.

While just about anything would be better than the present government, I can not see anything substantially better on the horizon. Just somewhat less harmful.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
The next UK general election should be no later than Jan 2025 who's is both an age a just around the corner political wise.
Our new Thatcherite government.does not have a snowballs chance in hell to see any positive results from its new financial policies by then. That is even if there ever will be any, which is very unlikely.

Labour are likely to win by default, and not because anyone can see anything special in their policies so far.
They have a 17 point lead over the Tories at the moment, which is about what they need to get an overall majority.
As usual in recent years, a more likely result is a hung parliament.

However I can not see them leading any sort of coalition government, as their present party rules do not permit that.
They do of course have two opportunities to change that rule during the next two party conferences, but it would be difficult to arrive at a majority for that, as the unions and left wing would not support it.

While just about anything would be better than the present government, I can not see anything substantially better on the horizon. Just somewhat less harmful.

How about this for an analogy? It applies to a country that has effectively only two parties, like the USA and UK.

A man confronts a locked door. He has two keys. He tries one and it doesn't open the lock. He tries the other one and it doesn't open the lock. So he tries the first one again .... over and over again.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Everyone is sick of Thatcherite economics. It's sad because as a conservative I'm a One Nation Conservative (not the fake BoJo kind, either). These Tory people keep giving me and my ilk a bad name.

These ONC ideas have long since left though and it's all about New-Right Thatcherite economics.
Just make it easy and call yourself a Communist. You're basically the Super Marx, in the eyes of McCarthy.:p
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
How about this for an analogy? It applies to a country that has effectively only two parties, like the USA and UK.

A man confronts a locked door. He has two keys. He tries one and it doesn't open the lock. He tries the other one and it doesn't open the lock. So he tries the first one again .... over and over again.

There are several parties in the UK that substantially affect election results even though they do not win many seats themselves.
They are very often the deciding factor in who does win an individual seat, even when they do not win it them selves. In many elections this can be as much as a third of the seats.

They also win enough seats in. Local elections to control entire councils. And in Scotland the Scottish nationalists have been in control of their parliament for years. So much so that the conservatives are pretty much irrelevant.

There are very few safe seats in parliament now. Compared to only a few years ago.
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
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Premium Member
Everyone is sick of Thatcherite economics. It's sad because as a conservative I'm a One Nation Conservative (not the fake BoJo kind, either). These Tory people keep giving me and my ilk a bad name.

These ONC ideas have long since left though and it's all about New-Right Thatcherite economics.

Can I ask a question about more 'pure' ONC I've never been sure of?
What is the role or importance of social mobility?
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Will this have any affect as to the health of the monarchy?

While Labour's voter base has more republicans* than the Conservatives, they're nowhere near numerous enough to have much impact on the Labour party's policies. Republicanism just isn't an important enough issue in UK politics for a major party to make it an integral part of their platform.

The monarchy isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


*Quick note that UK republicanism has nothing to do with the US Republican party. It refers to the stance that the UK should replace its monarchy with a republic.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
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Can I ask a question about more 'pure' ONC I've never been sure of?
What is the role or importance of social mobility?
I don't think social mobility is really a priority but certainly I believe it would make social mobility easier than Thatcherism.
 

lewisnotmiller

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I don't think social mobility is really a priority but certainly I believe it would make social mobility easier than Thatcherism.

That's kind of a low bar...lol
Disraeli obviously represents social mobility on some level, but he did appear to buy into the whole 'classist' system too much for my liking. Still...you can only be well read on so many topics, and ONC is not one I'm any sort of expert on, that's for sure.
Thanks.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
That's kind of a low bar...lol
Disraeli obviously represents social mobility on some level, but he did appear to buy into the whole 'classist' system too much for my liking. Still...you can only be well read on so many topics, and ONC is not one I'm any sort of expert on, that's for sure.
Thanks.
Yes, this is why it's not a priority; the class system will still exist as part of the hierarchy - I think trying to wipe out class is a pipe dream, but trying to grease the ladder might help instead of just accepting the less pleasant political aspects of life. I think it must needs be said this is still a conservative movement, so this is expected, I suppose.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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Disraeli obviously represents social mobility on some level, but he did appear to buy into the whole 'classist' system too much for my liking.

Isn't the current system in the UK, US, etc., indeed too classist, though? What specifically was too much for your liking about Disraeli's views on that? (I'm not familiar with them, myself.)
 
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