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Does Your Religious Faith Require Data to Support It?
- Thread starter SalixIncendium
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Data helps only if it's realistic and factually based.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Help is not data. That is a subjective evaluation. The same with realistic and factual. Those have no objective referent.
You are not the only believer in that kind of worldview, but the universe doesn't care for humans, help, realistic and factual. Those only matter to humans, who believe in them. Just like people, who believe in God/Gods.
firedragon
Veteran Member
My personal faith does not "require" data but am told directly to be honest, take data and verify them and analyse and explore.
Of course unlike Neil Tyson who speaks about religions without any data but just blind faith.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Evidence of that?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There is nothing subjective about hard factual data.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, but that they matter, is subjective.
firedragon
Veteran Member
What data is he quoting other than blind faith? Can you find that data?
And just do a research about his blind faith about Gazzali.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Do you really believe that just because the Bible says God created man in his image its the exact replica? Where did you get that data from? Is not this pure blind faith you are portraying?
Well, like that, you can argue anything away!
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, you would be the first recorded human in history to do so, if you could prove that God is fair.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Thats irrelevant.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, it is irrelevant to you, based on your cognition.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Irrelevant.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, you are irrelevant. I am irrelevant. Everything is irrelevant, except the claim that everything is irrelevant. I have seen the proof and I have to thank you for it. It is all irrelevant, including God, but not just God.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Irrelevant mate. You are onto a different argument. Maybe you like a particular argument and wish to drive this there, but it's irrelevant to believing humans were made as a perfect replica of God.
If you want to place another cloven argument, don't reply to a post which is irrelevant to the argument you wish to impose here. Just make your argument if you wish separately. Because its irrelevant.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, logic and proof with God, if there is a God, wouldn't be the same with humans, if we are different than God.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Hmm. Yep. Thats logical.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
The point is that proof and logic in humans are limited. The problem is that you can think X is Y and claim that is universal, I can just check if I can do it differently. That works in both directions and shows the limit of false, wrong, irrelevant and all the other negatives. Something can't be universal, if it can be done differently by another human.
So if you say something is in effect a negative, you have to check if it is a negative in your thinking or a negative independent of your thinking.
There is more, but the base is that some people conflate dependent on thinking and independent of thinking.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Bro. That's irrelevant to the argument I was making.
What in the world do you want to discuss? Concepts in logic? Axioms? Philosophy? What do you want to open up?