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Are all things tested with love of God and hate of God in your religion?

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Salam

I wrote this in another thread:

I believe aside from the morality to each other in a species you mention, there is also Quranic notion that all things also have a moral choice to submit to God willingly or unwillingly. Some things opt to hate to submit to God and hence do what God states similar to how Satanic Jinn would obey Sulaiman (a) during his rule. The earth has a noble spirit and reality, and when tested to submit to God willingly, it obeyed, and when tested with taking Authority for itself - it refused to take it but rather submitted to God's Authorities.

The moon and sun also have noble spirits, but somethings obey God unwillingly, and hence are spiritually corrupt.

Of course, this is in the unseen realm and hidden language of all things, but everything has to decide between love and hate. Somethings hate submitting to God and somethings love it.

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This is not a debate thread, I am curious to your views on this subject. What does your religion say? If you have support from scripture, provide it please.
 

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Your OP describe someone with free will, moral choice, who is faced with a Manichean choice between good and evil.

From my belief, we are all destined for the goal - that is God's will. God's wish is that we do our best to surrender to and carry out His will. If we don't the goal will still be reached but the path will be longer. Here's a quote from someone who was a close companion of Meher Baba.

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All things animate and inanimate obey Divine Will, but only human beings can be under His Wish. It makes you follow His Will rightly. If you follow His Wish, you automatically look after His pleasure.

Divine Will is a river going inexorably towards the Ocean, taking everything heedlessly in its course, animate and inanimate. The flow of the river is continuous, but there are certain obstructions, eddies or pools, where souls can become trapped. The Divine Wish is like a strong hand pushing the soul into the fastest current in the river towards the Ocean, even though the river is always in the Ocean. What a paradox!

When you follow the Divine Wish, your journey to the Ocean is very short, though sometimes the quickest channel is over a waterfall, bumping against every rock, or in a tidal current that is racing towards the Ocean at breakneck speed. Most people must undergo 84 lakhs [hundreds of thousands] of births before they reunite with God. But if you come under Divine Wish, the number of births required is reduced.

Souls can resist the Divine Wish, but they cannot resist the Divine Will. There are also degrees of following His Wish. Someone who follows His Wish 100% will seek His pleasure 100% as well as obeying the Divine Will 100%...
 

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Can you elaborate on this point?

The goal has been expressed in Islamic sufism. I would call the goal in Islam as perfect submission to the will of God. In this perfect submission all that remains is called baqa-billah, abiding in God, which is the goal. Then every word and every deed is an expression of God's will manifesting through the body of the one whose submission leaves no self separate from the Truth.
 

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The goal has been expressed in Islamic sufism. I would call the goal in Islam as perfect submission to the will of God. In this perfect submission all that remains is called baqa-billah, abiding in God, which is the goal. Then every word and every deed is an expression of God's will manifesting through the body of the one whose submission leaves no self separate from the Truth.

Salam

Thanks a lot.

I meant more "but the path will be longer", can you elaborate on that?
 

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Salam

Thanks a lot.

I meant more "but the path will be longer", can you elaborate on that?
The meaning is the same as someone going between cities. They can take a direct route or a longer, indirect root. From my belief that we have many lives, in some we have the fortune of meeting the Qutub-e-Irshad, a murshid or a pir. They, knowing the route, offer to help us travel by the fastest route. We are free to disregard their knowledge and that means traveling by a slower, longer route.

Another way of expressing it is that they hold up a "mirror" so we can see our own faults and hopefully decide to work to overcome them. They might put two people who don't get along on a project where hopefully they will overcome their antipathy and learn to respect, even love, the other person. They might criticize something with the hope that we'll not defend the act but accept what is said. They might praise someone with the hope that the person does not get puffed up or recognizes that they are getting puffed up and work to overcome that fault. If the two refuse to work together, the criticism causes defence or the praise causes an inflamed ego, they are taking the long way because those faults will sooner or later have to be overcome.
 
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