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How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden?

Brian2

Brian2

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Suave said:
Genus Homo-species may have come into being when a couple of Australopithecus hetero zygotes, who had the same type of chromosome rearrangements formed by fusion of the whole long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes, mated together and reproduced viable and fertile offspring with 46 chromosomes. This first generation of Homo habilis then may have likely incestuously bred with each other and reproduced the next subsequent generation of Homo habilis.

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Since the eldest of Homo-habilis did not naturally live very long beyond 25 years in age, this primordial couple, namely Adam and Eve, the parents of the earliest Homo Hablis, could not have resided anywhere including a garden paradise for more than a few decades,

Reference: Jan 01, 2004 · Palaeodemo graphy and Dental Microwear of Homo habilis fr om East Africa • XLII/1 • pp. 53–58 • 2004 LAURA M. MAR TÍNEZ, JORDI GALBANY …

(PDF) Paleodemography and dental microwear of Homo habilis from East Africa (researchgate.net)
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Adam lived over 900 years.
 
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Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
Brian2 said:
Adam lived over 900 years.
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He would have lived a lot longer, but he was murdered, according to legend.

As to the OP, Adam lived in the garden a LOT longer than Eve did: Genesis 2:18-20

"And the LORD G-d said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' And out of the ground the LORD G-d formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof. And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him."

That's a lot of animals. Adam had to get to know each one completely,
to understand each one's true nature in order to give it it's truename.
 
Suave

Suave

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Brian2 said:
Adam lived over 900 years.
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That could very well be in mythological years.

The Ultimate Hayflick Limit is when all of the cells created in the human body before birth (and all of the cells these cells produce) are multiplied by the average time it takes for cells to reach the end of their lives, you get roughly 120 years. This is the ultimate Hayflick limit -- the maximum number of years that a human can possibly live. What's strange is that the Biblical book of Genesis (6:3) explicitly states that humankind's days "shall be one hundred years and twenty" (Source. Craner, Guy God's Limit on Mans Years (xwalk.ca)).,It's worth mentioning, though, that this life span is later amended in Psalms 90:10, which says we can live to age 70; 80 years at the most [source: Bible Gateway].

Cramer, Guy. "God's limit on man's years." Trinity Consulting. 1998. God's Limit on Mans Years (xwalk.ca)

BibleGateway. "Psalm 90:10 (King James Version)." Accessed April 14, 2009. Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 90:10 - King James Version
 
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Brian2

Brian2

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Sedim Haba said:
He would have lived a lot longer, but he was murdered, according to legend.

As to the OP, Adam lived in the garden a LOT longer than Eve did: Genesis 2:18-20

"And the LORD G-d said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' And out of the ground the LORD G-d formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof. And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him."

That's a lot of animals. Adam had to get to know each one completely,
to understand each one's true nature in order to give it it's truename.
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If it refers to all the cattle and birds and beast of the field all over the earth then that is a lot.
 
Suave

Suave

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Sedim Haba said:
He would have lived a lot longer, but he was murdered, according to legend.

As to the OP, Adam lived in the garden a LOT longer than Eve did: Genesis 2:18-20

"And the LORD G-d said: 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.' And out of the ground the LORD G-d formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them; and whatsoever the man would call every living creature, that was to be the name thereof. And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found a help meet for him."

That's a lot of animals. Adam had to get to know each one completely,
to understand each one's true nature in order to give it it's truename.
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Please note the Hayflick limit means the human life span is limited to ca. 120 years: "each time a cell undergoes mitosis, the telomeres on the ends of each chromosome shorten slightly. Cell division will cease once telomeres shorten to a critical length. Hayflick interpreted his discovery to be aging at the cellular level. The aging of cell populations appears to correlate with the overall physical aging of an organism"

  1. Hayflick L, Moorhead PS (1961). "The serial cultivation of human diploid cell strains". Exp Cell Res. 25 (3): 585–621. doi:10.1016/0014-4827(61)90192-6. PMID 13905658.
  2. Hayflick L. (1965). "The limited in vitro lifetime of human diploid cell strains". Exp. Cell Res. 37 (3): 614–636. doi:10.1016/0014-4827(65)90211-9. PMID 14315085
 
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rational experiences

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Earths nature garden. No determined age about its actual historic presence.

As frozen ground history was introduced to biology on earth. Ice changed biology.

Humans as our name. Subject species human. Topic two types as a brother sister. Lived in the garden.

We still do today.

So I read an article that said the term Adam eve was an interpreted meaning of the human family many of men and many of women who lived equally.
mutually.

Owned the same human family DNA. Was the teaching.

Meaning were the same human parent life of everyone now.

Men of God....preaching theists. Named Satanists before their new title scientist had agreed on all types of holy dusts sun time data.

Evicted life out of its origin garden supported genetics. By science machine practices against God holy body.

So today we are just humans living on O God earth planet in the gardens owning changed human genetics.
 
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Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
Suave said:
Please note the Hayflick limit means the human life span is limited to ca. 120 years: "each time a cell undergoes mitosis, the telomeres on the ends of each chromosome shorten slightly. Cell division will cease once telomeres shorten to a critical length. Hayflick interpreted his discovery to be aging at the cellular level. The aging of cell populations appears to correlate with the overall physical aging of an organism"
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Unless someone invents a time machine to go back for a tissue sample from Adam
or his direct descendants, that data is pretty much useless. Those long lifespans in
the 'begats' of Genesis are all direct descendants of Adam, NOT the average person.
 
Suave

Suave

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Sedim Haba said:
Unless someone invents a time machine to go back for a tissue sample from Adam
or his direct descendants, that data is pretty much useless. Those long lifespans in
the 'begats' of Genesis are all direct descendants of Adam, NOT the average person.
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I figured everybody is descended from Y-Chromosomal Adam. There is zero scientific evidence of anybody's lifespan exceeding the Hayflick limit of ca. 120 years. Please keep in mind ancient creation tales tend to overexaggerate their tribal Patriarchs' lifespans
 
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samtonga43

samtonga43

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Trailblazer said:
I do not believe that Adam and Eve were ever in a garden because I do not believe that ever existed. I believe the whole story is an allegory, not a true story.
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An allegory often contains a deeper, spiritual meaning which leads to truth for all but literalists, who miss the point totally and fail to see the truth. It's sad.
 
Colt

Colt

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Policy said:
A speaker is going to my mother's.church in mid September to speak on this topic. We were puzzling over breakfast 1).on what basis
could anyone know and 2) why does it matter?

Any thoughts?
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In my theology they were in the first garden for roughly 100 years before their default. Then they moved to the second garden location and remained there until their deaths. Eve lived 511 years and Adam 530.

Adam and Eve, coming from another world, were rematerialized on our evolved world that had already fallen long before they came as replacements for the previous fallen administration of the "crafty beast".

IMOP
 
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blü 2

blü 2

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Policy said:
A speaker is going to my mother's.church in mid September to speak on this topic. We were puzzling over breakfast 1).on what basis
could anyone know and 2) why does it matter?

Any thoughts?
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Adam needs enough time for God to round up all the cattle and beasts of the field and birds and for him to name them. And for God to create Eve. The business with the fruit would only take a day. Booting them out would only take half an hour. A week would be ample.

But if you said twenty years, who could argue? Before the fruit matter, no one needed to be in a hurry.
 
Link

Link

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Policy said:
A speaker is going to my mother's.church in mid September to speak on this topic. We were puzzling over breakfast 1).on what basis
could anyone know and 2) why does it matter?

Any thoughts?
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Hadiths are not a certainty, so I can quote them, but I would not know from that. Same with narrations kept by Jews or Christians aside from Tanakh and Gospels. They might provide educated guess, but not a way to know for certain.

The only way to me, is if the Guide of our time met you, proved he was the Guide (by miracles), and told you the exact time or an Angel proved itself or God talked to you or one of the living guides of the past such Elijah or Khidr (both still on earth). Or you got connected to living souls of exalted nature such as Fatima and they told you that telepathically.
 
Watchmen

Watchmen

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Policy said:
A speaker is going to my mother's.church in mid September to speak on this topic. We were puzzling over breakfast 1).on what basis
could anyone know and 2) why does it matter?

Any thoughts?
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6 years, 8 months, two weeks, and four days. They were expelled on May 2nd.
 
ZooGirl02

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Well, the Bible says that they were kicked out of the Garden of Eden after they committed the Original Sin so we know they were in the Garden of Eden at least until they ate the forbidden fruit. As for why it matters, I'm not sure that it does.
 
ppp

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Link said:
Hadiths are not a certainty, so I can quote them, but I would not know from that. Same with narrations kept by Jews or Christians aside from Tanakh and Gospels. They might provide educated guess, but not a way to know for certain.

The only way to me, is if the Guide of our time met you, proved he was the Guide (by miracles), and told you the exact time or an Angel proved itself or God talked to you or one of the living guides of the past such Elijah or Khidr (both still on earth). Or you got connected to living souls of exalted nature such as Fatima and they told you that telepathically.
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This does not appear to have anything to do with the topic.
 
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