questfortruth
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Why are we always passing but never passed point of no return?
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Brian2
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An anthropologist JD Unwin noticed a similar relationship between sexual morals and the strength of societies in the early 20th century.
J. D. Unwin - Wikipedia
Why Sexual Morality May be Far More Important than You Ever Thought — Quest
A relationship like that may not mean a causal relationship but your video has connected some dots about family which are interesting.
It is a shame that the video has religious and political overtones which will mean that it is automatically rejected by many people.
questfortruth
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Not shame because it is written:
Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of Me and of My words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when He cometh in the glory of His Father with the holy angels. Mark 8:38
I gave it four minutes. Same old same old - preachers telling us their secrets for a happy life and a strong nation, and of course, it always involves families and more religion.
Look at America, which is falling apart. It's problems are disinformation, a political party trying to overturn democracy, extreme weather, global inflation, lax gun policies, supply chain problems, lobbying, police brutality, racial tension, burgeoning fascism, wealth concentration, and a general sense that institutions cannot be trusted including government, elections, and the police.
Families are like fruit trees in an apple orchard. If one apple on one tree is rotten, it's the apple - one bad kid. If many apples are rotten but all on the same tree, it's the tree that's diseased - one bad family. When the whole orchard is producing rotten fruit, it's not the trees, i.e., the families, that are the source of the problem, and focusing attention on them will do nothing to solve those problems.
But this isn't surprising. This guy spoke with a southern American accent. He's from its Bible Belt. Now there's a culture with no answers. The states with the most evangelical Christianity dominate the lists of the least happy. From Map Shows Happiest and Least Happy States to Live In (fatherly.com) : "The lowest rated states for happiness all seemed to be in the south, with West Virginia landing in the last spot with a total score of 34.05, which landed close to the bottom in both emotional and physical well-being and work environment. In 49th place was Arkansas (37.47), followed by Louisiana (38.88). Rounding out the bottom five happiest states, or rather, the least happy states were Mississippi (39.90) and Oklahoma (40.43)."
Look at America, which is falling apart. It's problems are disinformation, a political party trying to overturn democracy, extreme weather, global inflation, lax gun policies, supply chain problems, lobbying, police brutality, racial tension, burgeoning fascism, wealth concentration, and a general sense that institutions cannot be trusted including government, elections, and the police.
Families are like fruit trees in an apple orchard. If one apple on one tree is rotten, it's the apple - one bad kid. If many apples are rotten but all on the same tree, it's the tree that's diseased - one bad family. When the whole orchard is producing rotten fruit, it's not the trees, i.e., the families, that are the source of the problem, and focusing attention on them will do nothing to solve those problems.
But this isn't surprising. This guy spoke with a southern American accent. He's from its Bible Belt. Now there's a culture with no answers. The states with the most evangelical Christianity dominate the lists of the least happy. From Map Shows Happiest and Least Happy States to Live In (fatherly.com) : "The lowest rated states for happiness all seemed to be in the south, with West Virginia landing in the last spot with a total score of 34.05, which landed close to the bottom in both emotional and physical well-being and work environment. In 49th place was Arkansas (37.47), followed by Louisiana (38.88). Rounding out the bottom five happiest states, or rather, the least happy states were Mississippi (39.90) and Oklahoma (40.43)."
wellwisher
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Crime and poverty are higher in broken homes. Families that stay together have many advantages and are much less of a burden on the tax payer.
Progressive tend to dump on the nuclear family. We never talk about the negative statistics connected to the broken family, so we can set a contrast. Many people feel sorry and do not wish to seem mean. However, we need to address this to help see the source of many social problems. Which of the two costs the tax payers the most? Which has more crime? Which does better in school and in their future?
One of the biggest problems, the Blacks in America face, is connected to the break up of the nuclear black family. In the 1950's and 1960's the black family was strong since they had to stick together. They were under the microscope of racism. The strong family unit led to the Civil Rights Movement due to the high road example the Blacks of that era, set. Their protests were peaceful. It was not about looting like you see in Democrat run inner cities. It was about mature adults walking in peace and not angry children from broken homes having a temper tantrum.
After that social change, there was a decline in the nuclear family that was triggered by Progressivism. They assume all types of family units were as good as the nuclear family. The result was more and more poverty, crime and social need. Strong nuclear Black families still do much better in many metrics.
What advantage does the low road of broken homes bring to the Progressive movement? Is it the recipe for growing Big Government? Is all the disadvantages of broken homes a way to keep the blacks down, while pretending to be their defender by ? Abortion is also very high among inner city blacks. Mothers are overwhelmed since father wish to be players and not fathers.
HonestJoe
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In this kind of context specifically, because the "point of no return" rhetoric is just an empty lie to scare people in to some kind of action (typically buying a book, giving money to a church or, supporting some webpage).
We pass real "points of no return" all the time, large and small, often without even noticing. We also resolve or shift other "points of no return" a little further down the road or delay them temporarily. Once we've passed one though, there is generally no point in talking about it (though it can certainly be worth reviewing the consequences to learn from our mistakes).
That is why most discussions of "points of no return" (true or mythical) will refer to something in the future. You don't ask "Are we nearly there yet?" once we've arrived.
I don't see a rebuttal there. In fact, you didn't address my argument at all. Instead, like the video preacher, you've redirected to the problems broken homes face, but haven't addressed my point that these broken homes are a symptom of systemic problems that work against families, such as "disinformation, a political party trying to overturn democracy, extreme weather, global inflation, lax gun policies, supply chain problems, lobbying, police brutality, racial tension, burgeoning fascism, wealth concentration, and a general sense that institutions cannot be trusted including government, elections, and the police."
You seem to see the problem as due to progressive thought, but none of those factors above are the result of that. These are caused by the enemies of liberalism, humanism and progressivism. They are the problem. They have polluted the orchard, and its trees are wilting under their pernicious influence. The trees are not the source of the problem. The people that want to take their Medicare and Social Security are, the ones who resent student debt relief, the ones who vote against supporting access to baby formula, the ones that want to keep the nation armed and believing that their elections were stolen. These are the people making their lives worse, not progressives.
Full List of 192 House Republicans Who Voted Against FDA Baby Formula Bill (newsweek.com)
Progressives are very pro-family. Who was responsible for the child tax credit? Who wants to make access to day care more affordable? Who wants kids safe from guns in schools? Who wants ensure sure that school kids are fed?
Conservatives are the opposite. They oppose all of that.