Genesis 1:1

gnostic said:

North of what? North of Earth? North of the Sun? North of the Milky Way?

North is only relative to our plane. In wide open space there are no north.

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Physics has a model for the universe that has boundries. Beyond this boundry, according to an interpretation of Scripture, is heaven.

sandy whitelinger said:

Physics has a model for the universe that has boundries. Beyond this boundry, according to an interpretation of Scripture, is heaven.

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Actually there is no known limit to the universe. The limit we see is the last galaxy in the outmost edge of the "known universe".

But according to the latest scientific knowledge, the universe is still growing, expanding outwardly and seemingly endlessly from the point of origin, which is the Big Bang. Instead of slowly down, the universe is still expanding, and faster than everyone anticipated.

What is beyond the outer limit of the known universe? We don't know. Possibly more dark matter. Dark matter exist everywhere in space.

gnostic said:

I know this may sound like a stupid question, but I still need to ask it.

If god created heaven and earth at the same, as it is stated Genesis 1:1, then where did god exist, if there was no heaven before earth was created?

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I would think in another dimension.

gnostic said:

Or does "heaven" simply referred to the sky above?

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In the KJV the sky is referred to as the "open firmament of heaven" and is where the birds fly.

gnostic said:

Some religions think heaven, abode of the gods, were in the mountains, as can be seen in among the Greeks Olympus, or in Sumerian myth, the sky god An lived in the mountain too.

Heaven is not the sky itself, but the mountain, because it is the highest thing in the sky.

The ancient Hebrews are no different, such Moses and Mount Sinai, and two other mountains, which at this time I can't recall their names.

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The Hebrews are quite different as the creation account in Genesis specifically places Heaven away from the earth.

gnostic said:

Well, did God not tell Moses to take off his sandals because he was standing on holy ground?

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Why do you equate holy ground as only being a part of heaven?

gnostic said:

Of course, there are also examples of the sky being the heaven, like the Tower of Babel. Fearing that humans would reach his "heaven", so he confounded them so they chickens and ducks couldn't speak the same language.

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Creative theology.

God confounded the languages because man had not obeyed one of His original commandments which was to replenish the earth. Man was hanging out together. After the confounding of the languages mankind spread out and populated the world.

gnostic said:

Actually there is no known limit to the universe. The limit we see is the last galaxy in the outmost edge of the "known universe".

But according to the latest scientific knowledge, the universe is still growing, expanding outwardly and seemingly endlessly from the point of origin, which is the Big Bang. Instead of slowly down, the universe is still expanding, and faster than everyone anticipated.

What is beyond the outer limit of the known universe? We don't know. Possibly more dark matter. Dark matter exist everywhere in space.

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There are some things to consider in that position. While for some models of the univers it can be said ther are no boundries it is because gravity causes the universe to bend back on itself. In effect it is like traveling the surface of the earth: no matter which direction you go there is no end. Yet, you will end up back where you started given enough time or traveling fast enough.

The universe is expanding though. Consider this. It is bigger now than it was yesterday. That means that the "boundry" has moved. What may cause confusion is how to define a boundry. I seriously doubt (because I'm not that well versed in physics) that the boundry is looked at as a fence or a wall or in some physical, touchable form. Nevertheless if you look at the possibility of dimensions then there is a point, were we able to travel to other dimensions, that you would be in one dimension and at the next moment in another. You would have crossed a boundry. On the other side of the boundry of space, scripturally speaking, is heaven.

astarath said:

I wonder...original thoughts or do you take all of your information from source?

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May I say I like your NEW avatar?????:yes:

astarath said:

I kno what you are refering to but did God not take Elijah to heaven in a chariot that flew into the sky? Shall the Lord not return on clouds rather than from the mountaintops?

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Sounds like spaceships to me....

gnostic said:

Are you talking in the sky? Or on the mountain?

If God could speak to a person without the need for anyone from eavedropping, then why must Moses go up and down the mountain? Why did Moses receive the Ten Commandment from Mount Sinai? Why not just dropped the tablets on Moses' lap?

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oohhh...ohhhh ....mee ...mee

Cause the stone tablets would have broke his legs.....:sarcastic

dregod07 said:

Cause the stone tablets would have broke his legs.....:sarcastic

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I thought there must be reason of not "dropping it on his lap".

But God is God, isn't he?

If he broke Moses' legs, God could have easily healed Moses. Or even grow him a new one. Imagine Moses having a third leg or another pair. Now, wouldn't that be a miracle?

*gasp*

Oooo....

gnostic said:

I thought there must be reason of not "dropping it on his lap".

But God is God, isn't he?

If he broke Moses' legs, God could have easily healed Moses. Or even grow him a new one. Imagine Moses having a third leg or another pair. Now, wouldn't that be a miracle?

*gasp*

Oooo....

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He did have three knees... his left knee, his right knee, and his wee...wait...never mind. :sorry1:

soyleche said:

He did have three knees... his left knee, his right knee, and his wee...wait...never mind. :sorry1:

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I thought someone couldn't resist making this sort of reply 'bout the 3rd leg. :biglaugh:

We don't know how much time transpired. You're correct it could have been millions of years. Scientist say the universe is millions of years old--why not this earth that was probably formed by Jehovah at the same time as the universe???