Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
That is the point of the joke.
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I guess Boston Massachusetts is now 'WOKE'
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Yes and no. There have long been those opposed to slavery, even when it when it's been most normal.
It's been the norm, but I suspect it's been more normal for some people than others. Such as, we are a violent species. It's normal for humans to fight. But it's not actually normal for probably most people who would much rather prefer to be left alone in peace.
Slavery I think may be a norm of certain perspectives, even historically where there have long been people opposed to it. But it's a funny one because slavery is actually bad for economy. In America we can clearly see how the Southern slave economy trailed so far behind it was even a detriment for Confederate soldiers who up against the North which had much better transportation, manufacturing and distribution.
Which is made more funny when you realize how that "god given right" handicapped the side fighting for it and gave them a tremendous uphill battle from the start, all because slavery only benefits the slave owners while society at large has fewer opportunities for legit work and technological suffered due to this.
That did have a large part to do with it, and indeed the "god given right to slaves" was such a belief that the seeds of the Civil War were sown, I argue, as the Constitution was being argued and debated and ultimately ratified. And, certainly, they threw such a tantrum over it a war was fought to preserve slavery whereas England just did away with it.
I think we at the end of the day we all still have that tendency to see someone else as subhuman. We've come a long way over the millennia, we're better at realizing impulsive emotions can be destructive and highly regrettable, but for one reason or another, though we may be more easily able to push these thoughts aside (or perhaps more expected to) and not act on them, there are those we treat not as well as we do others. This manifests in many different ways (sometimes even as being above the rest), but it's something we do.
Whose liberty?
The victims of the slave trade know a good deal about cultures being cancelled, and I think it far, far more important that we recognize and highlight the liberty that was denied by people like Peter Faneuil. Let the building that bares his name be renamed Slave Trader Hall, and let the profits from it's marketplace and meeting hall be invested for the benefit of Boston's communities of color.
While slavery thrived in the Southern Colonies and the West Indies, it existed on a smaller scale in the New England region. In 1740’s Boston, enslaved individuals made up roughly ten percent of the town’s population.[6] Though Faneuil’s main source of income did not directly involve the Transatlantic Slave Trade, he participated in the trade and owned enslaved people.
The most damning example of Faneuil’s direct involvement with the Transatlantic Slave Trade comes from the voyage of the Jolly Batchelor. Initially sent to Guinea from Boston, the ship returned to Rhode Island after Faneuil’s 1742 death, with “20 Negroes” amongst its cargo.[7] While records do not indicate who made the decision to purchase those “20 Negroes,” on at least one occasion, Faneuil directed one of his captains to purchase an enslaved person. In a 1738 letter to his ship captain Peter Buckley, Faneuil requested that, “With the net proceeds of the same purchase for me, for the use of my house, as likely a strait negro lad as possibly you can, about the age from twelve to fifteen years.”[8]
At the time of his death, Faneuil’s will recorded his ownership of five enslaved individuals.[9] Although the sources that directly tie Faneuil to owning enslaved individuals and the slave trade are limited, they speak to a merchant willing to ignore human costs in order to make a profit. [source]
The most damning example of Faneuil’s direct involvement with the Transatlantic Slave Trade comes from the voyage of the Jolly Batchelor. Initially sent to Guinea from Boston, the ship returned to Rhode Island after Faneuil’s 1742 death, with “20 Negroes” amongst its cargo.[7] While records do not indicate who made the decision to purchase those “20 Negroes,” on at least one occasion, Faneuil directed one of his captains to purchase an enslaved person. In a 1738 letter to his ship captain Peter Buckley, Faneuil requested that, “With the net proceeds of the same purchase for me, for the use of my house, as likely a strait negro lad as possibly you can, about the age from twelve to fifteen years.”[8]
At the time of his death, Faneuil’s will recorded his ownership of five enslaved individuals.[9] Although the sources that directly tie Faneuil to owning enslaved individuals and the slave trade are limited, they speak to a merchant willing to ignore human costs in order to make a profit. [source]
Meh...it's overstated, but parody appears to be closer to reality on this one in some cases than I would personally see as healthy.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
This being the internet I'd want to know exactly why. Like, there are slipper when wet signs in the lobby. Was it raining? Were the closing for the night? Or was it a move in the right direction by not associating the Colonel with the crap doppelganger of a shell of what Kentucky Fried Chicken used to be?
Stop confusing the issue by using facts!
I'm going with option 3, he doesn't want to be associated with greasy oily crap it has become.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
We wuz have'n fun.
He'd never wipe out chickens.
That would ruin his business.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
“The greatest nation on the face of the earth” - really?
Stopped reading at that point I’m afraid. I mean, thanks for Louis Armstrong, Elvis and Little Richard and all, but that kind of hubris does not go unpunished by the gods.
Stopped reading at that point I’m afraid. I mean, thanks for Louis Armstrong, Elvis and Little Richard and all, but that kind of hubris does not go unpunished by the gods.
PureX
Veteran Member
Why? When we enshrine it, we don't learn from it. Seems to me there is way too much enshrining going on, and way to little learning from it.
Aštra’el
Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
It is who I am and who I choose to be.
A 'source' must always be considered, and the source of the original post was, no surprise, Fox News.
The reason the article was so tilted in Faneuil's favor.
questfortruth
Well-Known Member
If you listen to Fox, then you are RESISTENCE.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
You got me bang to rights.
Good for them. I like the increasing intolerance of slave owners and their racist heritage.
Whatever good they did doesn't mean the current generation has to celebrate them despite their major shortcomings.
I don't see sole focus upon faults; I merely see recognition thereof. The idea that the Founding Fathers should be glorified despite their faults seems to me fundamentally harmful.
We evaluate what and whom we should honor in the present day based on modern standards because we live in a modern time, not in a past century. I'm fine with that too. Let's recognize the Founding Father's achievements without overlooking their racism and contribution to slavery.
Add to the list Manifest Destiny, American exceptionalism, and subversive interventionism.
If anything good is to come out of China's rapid progress toward being the world's leading power, it's that the U.S. may have to increasingly curb its undue influence on other countries and forceful bullying of many of them. Not that China is any better, sadly.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Sadly that is so. It's seemingly impossible not to buy Made In China, which I would like to do. Thinking about their treatment of non-human animals is enough to make my head burst into flames.