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Harriet Hageman defeats Liz Cheney in Wyoming primary

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I think Republicans can figure what is ethical without your advice.
Really? I don't think so. I remember the Republican Senate's treatment of the Obama SCOTUS nomination of Merrick Garland with 10 months to go in his Presidency, which McConnell definitively claimed was just too short to ever ratify -- while with 40 days left to go, McConnell aided and abetted Trump's appointment of Amy Comey Barrett. In case you don't recognize it, this is blatant hypocrisy and an abuse of the power he wielded.

I put that squarely under the "unethical" column. Do you march to a different ethical drummer?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I think one of the interesting things to think about in this Wyoming result is that Wyoming is very reliably Republican, with something over two thirds of the state registered Republicans. A few Democrats switched registration to help support Cheney, but that can't have amounted to much -- maybe 4 or 5 points.

So considering that Cheney still won 28.9%, it would seem that something like one in four Wyoming Republicans voted for the lady who wants to put Trump in jail. That should be concerning to Trump and his supporters, one would imagine.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I think one of the interesting things to think about in this Wyoming result is that Wyoming is very reliably Republican, with something over two thirds of the state registered Republicans. A few Democrats switched registration to help support Cheney, but that can't have amounted to much -- maybe 4 or 5 points.

So considering that Cheney still won 28.9%, it would seem that something like one in four Wyoming Republicans voted for the lady who wants to put Trump in jail. That should be concerning to Trump and his supporters, one would imagine.
I don't think that it is enough. I think that what really needs to be done is to turn up the heat on the abortion issue a reasonable amount of time before the election. Too soon and some of the people will become "meh" when the election arrives. Too late and it will not have full impact. I am sure that they have experts on these matters.

But extremely Red Kansas was a sign that people will vote for abortion rights.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Given your repeated demonstrated hatred of Republicans I think they would find any advice you have for them to be highly suspect. :cool:
I don't hate anyone. But I don't respect a lack of ethics, especially when it is public service jobs like politics. Republicans are taking advantage of conservatives voters having low ethical standards. And America is suffering and democracy is threatened.

I think Republicans can figure what is ethical without your advice.
If they can but still act unethically, they are even more corrupt.

Maybe you could go help Biden and the Democrats with their ethics. Lord knows they need the help.
I doubt you could recognize ethics, so how would you know?

For example do you think Liz is more ethical than Hageman? Liz is holding Trump accountable for his corruption, yet Hageman is spreading Trump's lie about election fraud. Your answer?
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
This is true to some extent, although that doesn't exactly make them peaceniks.
No one said otherwise; I'm not necessarily certain that peaceniks are a desirable option, either.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick."
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
And now, the question as we go forward:

Since the vast majority of the Republicans who opposed Donald Trump have lost primaries, retired or been booted -- who is left in the Republican party to try to take it back from the p****-grabber and take it back to a real political party with actual policies aimed at improving the future of the US?

I mean, once all the dragon slayers are slain themselves, what's gonna keep you safe from the dragons?
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I'm not sure by what metric stealing elections or supporting a coup attempt is much more of a problem than voting for a war where half a million people were killed. There is neither honor nor integrity in that; those who are complicit in war crimes and mass murder are far from honorable.

Do you not see these assertions as devaluing the lives of the Iraqis who were killed in the war?

No I don't see it that way. Many people have made horrible decisions that cost lives because they believed that the decision was the right thing to do. You would say that one terrible decision means that as far as you are concerned the person is irretrievably evil. I don't agree.

The war itself was one thing. All the stupid decisions that followed us taking Saddam out is a much much bigger deal to me.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Obama gave us the Arab Spring violence.
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In case you forgot, President Obama traveled to the Middle East during the period and made speeches, such as in Cairo, that directly fomented unrest.

BS. The people of the region wanted something better than dictatorships and tried to institute it.

And I see that you have a dictatorial, Russia/Chinese view of unrest - it's the real problem. I believe that people fighting for their freedom cause unrest and are prefectly justified in doing so.

Since President Trump didn’t instigate any violence on January 6th and no hearings have found any evidence of this I am not wrong, you are.

You were clearly ignoring all the hearings and all the evidence that he instigated the attempted coup, watched tv for hours when it was going on, took no action to try to calm things down for hours and now the right it trying to tell us that it was nothing special - no real violence.

If the left did what the right did on January 6th, I know with 100% certainty that the howls of outrage would reach to Pluto.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Really? I don't think so. I remember the Republican Senate's treatment of the Obama SCOTUS nomination of Merrick Garland with 10 months to go in his Presidency, which McConnell definitively claimed was just too short to ever ratify -- while with 40 days left to go, McConnell aided and abetted Trump's appointment of Amy Comey Barrett. In case you don't recognize it, this is blatant hypocrisy and an abuse of the power he wielded.

I put that squarely under the "unethical" column. Do you march to a different ethical drummer?
And now the same Merrick Garland signed the warrant request to search President Trump’s house. The house of his political opponent. Even though Attorney Generals don’t usually do such things. And a man that is a likely candidate for President again. Now that is blatant hypocrisy and abuse of power. He didn’t need to sigh it and if it had been necessary he should have recused himself. The actions of this Attorney General and this Administration are a threat to our Republic, our Rule of Law and our nation. Those that excuse and carry water for them are the unethical ones.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
BS. The people of the region wanted something better than dictatorships and tried to institute it.

And I see that you have a dictatorial, Russia/Chinese view of unrest - it's the real problem. I believe that people fighting for their freedom cause unrest and are prefectly justified in doing so.



You were clearly ignoring all the hearings and all the evidence that he instigated the attempted coup, watched tv for hours when it was going on, took no action to try to calm things down for hours and now the right it trying to tell us that it was nothing special - no real violence.

If the left did what the right did on January 6th, I know with 100% certainty that the howls of outrage would reach to Pluto.
Obama increased the unrest during the Arab Spring whether you choose to admit it or not. The January 6th hearings are a laughingstock. The American people could careless about this show trial. But you won’t agree with that. Suit yourself. Go on drinking the kool aid.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
And now the same Merrick Garland signed the warrant request to search President Trump’s house. The house of his political opponent. Even though Attorney Generals don’t usually do such things. And a man that is a likely candidate for President again. Now that is blatant hypocrisy and abuse of power. He didn’t need to sigh it and if it had been necessary he should have recused himself. The actions of this Attorney General and this Administration are a threat to our Republic, our Rule of Law and our nation. Those that excuse and carry water for them are the unethical ones.
Now you are jumping to conclusions. It is already pretty much a given that the documents were there. We know that Trump held some back on purpose. It appears that they had a reason to come in this strong. That will be coming out in the future.

One thing that people do not seem to understand is how investigations are run. Investigators never tell everything that they know as they are building a case. The guilty parties would take actions to cover up their misdeeds if they did. That we do not know why they did this before the election deadline is not evidence that it was partisan.

Just in case you forgot the Republican head of the FBI had to be in on this too.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Obama increased the unrest during the Arab Spring whether you choose to admit it or not. The January 6th hearings are a laughingstock. The American people could careless about this show trial. But you won’t agree with that. Suit yourself. Go on drinking the kool aid.
Oh the irony just pours from you.

I've asked you several times what media sources you use and you never answered. Since you are accusing others of drinking Kool Aid can you tell us what media you consume?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Now you are jumping to conclusions. It is already pretty much a given that the documents were there. We know that Trump held some back on purpose. It appears that they had a reason to come in this strong. That will be coming out in the future.

One thing that people do not seem to understand is how investigations are run. Investigators never tell everything that they know as they are building a case. The guilty parties would take actions to cover up their misdeeds if they did. That we do not know why they did this before the election deadline is not evidence that it was partisan.

Just in case you forgot the Republican head of the FBI had to be in on this too.
This reply really has naught to do with my comments about AG Garland.

Regarding the head of the FBI, Mr. Wray. Trump haters trumpet (excuse the play on words) how he was appointed by President Trump as if that somehow inoculates Wray from any suspicion or taint of anti-Trump bias. It doesn’t. Mr. Wray shielded anti-Trump haters within the FBI long after it was apparent that those individuals were on personal vendettas against Trump. He has not, to this day, publicly renounced the long debunked Steele dossier nor the unwarranted FISA wire taps of Trump. It is certainly possible for a Republican to have personal animus and hatred for Trump. Note Liz Cheney and Kinzinger as examples. If Mr. Wray was ever to show even impartiality in dealing with Trump, President Biden and his goon squads would destroy him forthwith.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Oh the irony just pours from you.

I've asked you several times what media sources you use and you never answered. Since you are accusing others of drinking Kool Aid can you tell us what media you consume?

I do have to admit sometimes I feel sorry for Trump:

"It’s pretty tough when a citizen with an unblemished record must be hounded from his home by the very policemen whose salaries are paid, at least in part, from the victim’s pocket."
 
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