Yahweh first, others second, us last

Kelly of the Phoenix said:

That’s because given His powers, acting like a normal human tyrant seems an odd choice. He could have a better relationship with people and support them and instead He just shows up to complain after centuries of neglect.

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Messianic Israelite said:

Hi Heyo. Good afternoon. Interesting concept. But just because one might be powerful, doesn't necessarily mean one is fortunate, does it? Ecclesiastes 1:18 says "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief." There is none with more wisdom than Yahweh. I don't know why more people aren't sensitive to Yahweh's needs and wants. Yes Yahweh is powerful, but He is grieved every day with all the wickedness that is going on in this world. Read Psalm 7:11 "Elohim is a righteous judge, Yea, a Elohim that hath indignation every day." Does that sound like being fortunate to you. To be able to see all the evil that is going on in the world, you think that is something to be desired? Yahweh is spiritually rich, but in this world it seems He is poor. He doesn't have many followers. More and more people are turning away from faith.

What I am trying to say is this. Yahweh has needs, and His needs are far more important than our needs. And whose heart deserves comforting more than Yahweh's? You've no doubt read Genesis 6, how Yahweh's heart was grieved with all the wickedness in the world in Noah's time. It's my aim to comfort Yahweh, to prove to Yahweh they are still those trying to do His will and please Him the way He wants. Malachi 1:6 says "A son honoreth his father, and a servant his master: if then I am a father, where is mine honor? and if I am a master, where is my fear? saith Yahweh of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?" Where is Yahweh's honor in this world? Most people are quick to accuse Yahweh, and not quick to bless Him.

No, Yahweh's needs matter most and being the most loving of all Beings, yet also having to uphold justice, Yahweh is very much alone. If it was not for a small remnant that seek to please Him, Yahweh would be terribly discouraged. Putting Yahweh first is a noble concept not simply because so few people do it, but because it's the right thing to do for the one who created us, cared for us and wants to bring us in to the Kingdom (2 Peter 3:9).

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Ashoka said:

My question would be, why is it wrong to please ourselves? So long as we are not hurting anyone, why should seeking pleasure be wrong?

I'm not saying be selfish, but it's pretty normal for humans to want to do things that make them happy. So why would I give up my happiness to please a deity I don't even worship? I see nothing noble about it.

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Altfish said:

I don't know where to start ...
The rules that I and my family and friends live by are not in any particular book, they are built up through life's experiences, learning to be empathetic, treating others as you would wish to be treated yourself. Meanwhile The Bible teaches you not to mix certain fabrics, not to work on the Sabbath, who to worship and plenty of other useless things.

Your opinion of what the average non-religious person would do in a life-death situation are purely anecdotal and in my experience, non-believers, instead of praying do useful things to save their own lives and lives of others.

Quoting your holy book does not impress non-believers; I'm sure if I quoted Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens you would be equally unimpressed.

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Messianic Israelite said:

Yahweh has needs, and His needs are far more important than our needs.

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Messianic Israelite said:

Hi 9-10ths_Penguin. Good afternoon. Interesting idea. However, we don't need to make up our own image of Yahweh. Yahweh's will, wants and desires are openly shown in His Word for all to view, read and study.

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Messianic Israelite said:

Hi Kelly of the Phoenix. Good afternoon. You don't think Yahweh's supportive? How many years was Noah preaching and building the Ark for? 120 years. Over one century. You can be as supportive as you want, if people are bent on doing evil it won't profit anyone. At one point or another judgment has to come. Isaiah 26:9 says "...for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness."

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Messianic Israelite said:

Yahweh has needs, and His needs are far more important than our needs.

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Messianic Israelite said:

Hi Ashoka. Good afternoon. You say it's pretty normal for humans to want to do things that make them happy. However, I have found that happiness comes from pleasing Yahweh, not from the worldly things that people do to make them happy. At least durable happiness. In terms of you worshipping another deity, well, I won't make this thread about why we should worship Yahweh, maybe that should be for a future thread. 2 Timothy 3:4 says "...lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of Yahweh". 2 Thessalonians 2:12 says "that they all might be judged who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." They are many pleasures in this world, but how many of them are righteous pleasures? I'm not saying we can't do nice things for ourselves, however, when we put ourselves last I think this is a honourable concept and one in which we should instil in our children.

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