I tend to think it's because I know how they work. I also know that if you understand theory then invention just "arises in your mind like a lily from the Nile". Math shows a simple manipulation of logic can create great complexity. Who could imagine that 2 + 2 could lead to such grandeur despite the fact there aren't two of anything at all in existence because no two things are identical. Math is quantified logic manifested as an abstraction (yes, you heard it here first).
If God exists I have no doubt He is further manifestation of logic or the origin of logic and reality.
Even the invention of hypothesis and experiment have many aspects of being a parlour trick but it's really technology that is on autopilot. New experiment leads many to the same creation.
In ancient science the process was described as "Knowledge > Understanding > Creation". Reductionistic science tends to hide its metaphysics from most practitioners. In part because anomalies cause dissonance and discomfort but mostly because it is based on simple axioms and experimental interpretation is is always paradigmatical. We don't even know if we don't understand how it works. Many people believe science works on "intelligence" but I seriously doubt there exists a referent for this word.
Yes! Technology arises like magic. It arises in individuals which are the basis of all life, all thought, and all creation (unless there are Gods).
Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You didn't even comment when I said we know the tiniest fraction of everything that exists and now you just blithely state that the origin of life is the only thing we don't know!!!!!!! I guess this rules out that we'll have a debate.
Actually, you’ve repeatedly demonstrated that you don’t. Comparing them to “parlor tricks” is glaring proof.
Who could imagine that 2 + 2 could lead to such grandeur despite the fact there aren't two of anything at all in existence because no two things are identical.
My, my, going with equivocations now, eh?
Not worth the time.
I’ll skip the non coherent stuff and bald assertions…
What is this “ancient science” of which you speak?
Really!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You didn't even comment when I said we know the tiniest fraction of everything that exists and now you just blithely state that the origin of life is the only thing we don't know!!!!!!! I guess this rules out that we'll have a debate.
Sorry, I’m afraid I’ve been short on time and just sort of skimming the posts that aren’t directed at me.
I’m assuming you’re referring here to post #138 which was directed to
@gnostic I believe?
( I understand; one might occasionally get crossed up when responding to multiple people on a forum at times.)
Let me break this to you gently. We know less that 10 ^ -1.000.000.000 of everything there is to know. We may no less than 1% (even far less) about fundamental forces and processes. Our species is blinded by its knowledge. I call us "homo omnisciencis" because we think we know everything. In time all Peers will be proven wrong about all things. Those who kowtow to Peers are either ignorant about a subject or have no clue how and why science actually works. Spoiler alert: it's experiment.
Allow me to rebut.
Ignoring the further evidence of not understanding the way science works, and wondering if the “Peers” being referred to has something to do with the peer review process involved when publishing in science journals?
I’ll ask from where, if not the ol’ wazoo, did you pull those numbers?
I presume the gist here is that you are of the opinion that mankind (perhaps particularly those that “believe in” and “trust” science?) is under the impression that they have everything figured out, but are sorely mistaken?
I’m afraid I can’t accept your numbers due to dubious provenance, but I’ll gladly agree there’s tons of stuff we don’t know.
And often when we learn new things, we discover more things we were not aware of and uncover new mysteries to attempt to solve.
That being said;
We’ve come a long way since the emergence of logical thought and the scientific method.
Far further and far faster than when we were stuck in the quagmire of when superstitious mindsets and religious dogmas ruled the day, and accepting “God did it” as the final say.
now you just blithely state that the origin of life is the only thing we don't know!!!!!!!
You need to work on your reading comprehension…
I said:
As to how life arose/arises…. science is working on it.
One of the last gaps for God to hide in, for the moment.
“One of the last gaps for God to hide in”
NOT
“The origin of life is the only thing we don't know!”
That”s just straight up misrepresenting what I said.
I’ll be generous here and go with your doing it inadvertently.
Please try to refrain from doing it again.
Allow me to clarify:
The “God of the gaps” argument is an “argument from ignorance fallacy” where in one assumes that any “gap” (lack of solid scientific evidence) means “God did it” because science doesn’t show otherwise.
You know, like;
God caused earthquakes - until geology and plate tectonics came along….
God sent hurricanes - until meteorology came along….
God made all the animals - until evolution through natural selection came along…
God threw lightning bolts - until understanding of static electricity came along….
God makes the sun rise in the morning - until…
You get the idea.
Science as shown over and over again, that things once thought to be things “God did” happen naturally and we understand the “mechanics” of how they work and no god is needed.
Thus, because science hasn’t yet provided the full understanding of how life began on earth religious adherents cling to the old “you don’t understand it, therefore it must be God” claim.
