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Heaven, Hell, and Demarcation

Fool

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so evidently you can find god in hell and satan in heaven per psalms 139.8 and job 1:6.


so hell and heaven aren't so much a destination as they are a state of mind?

god created heaven, and earth was included in that creation. selfish beings created hell by trying to separate, or oust god from that state? almost as a delusion or ignoring? ghosting?



 
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Fool

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Job 1:6 doesn't imply Satan went to heavens to met God, God is all present and they could have met him anywhere.
Also since Satan was cast out of heavens according to book of Enoch.
i wouldn't think angels, sons of god, divine beings would be holding a soirree in hell. do you really believe it would be in hell?


One day the divine beings presented themselves before the LORD, and aHeb. ha-satan.the Adversary-a came along with them.


in luke 16:23 jesus gives the example of the rich man in hell having a discussion with abraham in heaven. so there is enough closeness that they can hear and see one another and their actions but abraham claims there is a great gulf.


so if it is a great physical gulf, how can they see and hear one another?
 
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paradox

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i wouldn't think angels, sons of god, divine beings would be holding a soirree in hell. do you really believe it would be in hell?
Not in hell but also not in heavens.
Likely on earth where all of them can be present, or there is place in heavens that is neither paradise nor hell.
 

Fool

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Not in hell but also not in heavens.
Likely on earth where all of them can be present, or there is place in heavens that is neither paradise nor hell.
but god didn't create heaven separate from earth. in fact eden was founded on earth; which means paradise. god didn't remove eden from the earth based on the story. it's still here. god drove adam out and placed a cherub in the gate.

psalms 24:7-9


SO WHERE IS IT? jesus even tells you that it's here and based on self's attitude in the Lord's prayer?




1 corinthians 2:16
 
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paradox

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god didn't remove eden from the earth based on the story. it's still here
What about major flood?

jesus even tells you that it's here and based on self's attitude in the Lord's prayer?
That's why literal interpretation is useless, Jesus also says we'll live for ever in heavens, how is that righteous don't live here then if havens are here on earth?
 

Fool

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What about major flood?
the third temple has been created/formed. the apocalypse is nigh


That's why literal interpretation is useless, Jesus also says we'll live for ever in heavens, how is that righteous don't live here then if havens are here on earth?


daniel 4:23 it's always darkest before the dawn seven times passing over self

revelation 12:12
 

paradox

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the third temple has been created/formed. the apocalypse is nigh
Where or when was the 3rd temple formed?

daniel 4:23 it's always darkest before the dawn seven times passing over self

revelation 12:12
revelation borrows a lot from Daniel, but the 2 are set for different period.

Daniel and all the OT prophecies has been fulfilled with Jesus.
"The great day of Yahweeh", "day of wrath", "on that day" and similar phrases are all about coming of Jesus which already happened and is thus fulfilled.

revelation is about 2nd coming of Christ, all other prophecies are about 1st.
 

Fool

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Where or when was the 3rd temple formed?


revelation borrows a lot from Daniel, but the 2 are set for different period.

Daniel and all the OT prophecies has been fulfilled with Jesus.
"The great day of Yahweeh", "day of wrath", "on that day" and similar phrases are all about coming of Jesus which already happened and is thus fulfilled.

revelation is about 2nd coming of Christ, all other prophecies are about 1st.
daniel talks about the dead waking up to one of two realities. jesus talks about the dead. revelation talks about the 2nd death.


there are two births and two deaths.

the first death is the spirit being interred in the body, the earthly body. some do not ever wake up from that. the second death is the power of the idea that self is a finite being in the form human. the idea of the body dying is associated with a form and not a spirit that is eternal. that holds power over the spirit, the consciousness, the mind. overcoming that idea of finiteness to form, to a body, is the spirit, mind, consciousness becoming aware of it's eternal self as spirit, it overcomes the 2nd death; which is the 2nd birth.
 
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wellwisher

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If you read Revelation, which was written after the death of Jesus, Satan is thrown from heaven by force. Satan was condoned in heaven in the Old Testament and most of the New Testament, except in Revelations. Hades and Hell are not the same place. Hell only appears when Satan becomes the Devil after his excommunication. Hade was more like the place where the dead sleep.

Before Satan is forcefully thrown from heaven, he was the Lord of the earth due to his rapport with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. Satan became like the CEO of the earth and humans, with God the chairman of the board for a much larger universal organization.

In the book of Job, the CEO Satan is asking the Chairman to test Job. The chairman goes along, but eventually he gets pissed off at Satan due to too much micromanaging. However, he keeps him as Lord of the Earth, which humans thought was God, due to being chosen as his agent on earth. This is why the earth was full of suffering, why the good die young and why God appears to do evil. His CEO had full authority over the earth, with the Chairman not there to micromanage like a subordinate. Like knowledge of good and evil Satan had a good side and a bad side.

When Satan is finally thrown from heaven, he is fired as the CEO and the Lord of the Earth. However, humans are not aware of the change, in the heavenly politics. They continue to serve Satan, as though nothing has changed and he is still part of the divine plan, as Lord of the Earth, condoned by God.

The end time is about the changing of the guard becoming conscious to humans, but not to all at once. The analogy would be a soldier who respects his commanding officer and will do whatever he says. One day the commanding officer is relieved of his duty. He does not tell his troops, but acts like all is the same. Now all his orders are not legal; condoned by heaven. However, his troops still think they are and continue to act on his behalf. What had been divine is not longer that way.

Some of his soldiers start to notice a chip on his shoulder, and how his orders are getting strange. They are not sure, so they start to lose their unconditional acceptance. However, they still need to tread lightly, to not make any waves among the diehard soldiers. Slowly they start to rebel and become a target, because the blind soldiers do not yet see this rebellion as honorable to new status quo in heaven. The Saints are the first to see the change in politics and are persecuted by the blind who are sincerely stuck in the past, when Satan was a part of Heaven; decorated soldier. The result is a degeneration of behavior that will populate Hell.
 
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paradox

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daniel talks about the dead waking up to one of two realities. jesus talks about the dead. revelation talks about the 2nd death.


there are two births and two deaths.

the first death is the spirit being interred in the body, the earthly body. some do not ever wake up from that. the second death is the power of the idea that self is a finite being in the form human. the idea of the body dying is associated with a form and not a spirit that is eternal. that holds power over the spirit, the consciousness, the mind. overcoming that idea of finiteness to form, to a body, is the spirit, mind, consciousness becoming aware of it's eternal self as spirit, it overcomes the 2nd death; which is the 2nd birth.
If you tailor-fit scriptures to what you want them to reveal instead of what they really reveal then what's the purpose? you know up front such interpretation is wrong, no need for anyone to confirm.
 

Fool

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If you tailor-fit scriptures to what you want them to reveal instead of what they really reveal then what's the purpose? you know up front such interpretation is wrong, no need for anyone to confirm.
what is the need for anyone to read a book of fiction; if it doesn't apply to the reader itself?


all the signs point to self


colossians 3:11
 
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