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Theists Mostly: God

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Is God an abstract concept?

Why, why not?
Some think of God abstract
Some think of God concrete

It's both, so not "why, why not"

If I think of God abstract, God of course does not manifest to me in a concrete form

I prefer concrete form when I speak to God, because I need answers and help from God if e.g. doctors can't help me

It's as simple as that
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He can't be seen as an idea, just disbelieved in as an idea due to disbelief on the seer, when in reality you can only look at the real thing.

God is the light of all light, how can he be seen not to exist, when he is part of your existence? Can you doubt you exist? Your existence is constantly sparked through him and you have no reality independent from his vision, judgment or light and every good action stems from his light and essence.

It seems only people who don't know what God is and who he is, can doubt him.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
If I think of God abstract, God of course does not manifest to me in a concrete form

I prefer concrete form when I speak to God, because I need answers and help from God if e.g. doctors can't help me
Oh, and I forgot, concrete form manifesting to me is so much more intriguing, interesting, enjoyable than abstract form

You can compare it with a love relationship. You can choose a real relationship (concrete) or a virtual relationship (abstract)

Most people prefer real connection, with all the ups and downs. Not many choose virtual (platonic) relationships without sex, kissing, touching etc

That's like the difference between concrete God connection and abstract God (no connection)
@stvdvRF
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
If I think of God abstract, God of course does not manifest to me in a concrete form

I prefer concrete form when I speak to God, because I need answers and help from God if e.g. doctors can't help me

I do like the "abstract God concept" though, but as long as I have still a few concrete worldly desires, I choose a concrete God

When all my worldly desires have finished then I will let go concrete God also
@stvdvRF
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
You can compare it with a love relationship. You can choose a real relationship (concrete) or a virtual relationship (abstract)

Most people prefer real connection, with all the ups and downs. Not many choose virtual (platonic) relationships without sex, kissing, touching etc
I think a better way to talk about these things is at the gross, subtle, and causal levels. Sex and kissing is the gross level, which would be comparable to having an idol you can see and place offerings before. The subtle level is the "sensed", or the "abstract". That when experienced is considered considerably deeper and fuller than the gross level. And then there is the causal level where the gross and the subtle are transcended into a liberated unity consciousness. This is the deepest, the fullest, and the highest of all.

So regarding sex and touchings and stuff, this is all good and fine and wonderful when you're in your 20's. But most couples find that as they grow and mature, if that alone is all there is to the relationship, it's not sufficient to carry you through.

That's like the difference between concrete God connection and abstract God (no connection)
@stvdvRF
Think of the gross, subtle and causal stages of meditation. So the "abstract God", is more the subtle level. The "causal God" is the nature of Reality itself as undifferentiated consciousness, or Atman. The gross level God, is the murti, something the mind can focus on, which hopefully opens one to the subtle, and then to the causal as they mature spiritually.

Make sense? Same with sex. That's the handshake at the door, but not the depths of love itself. Eventually, one doesn't need the concrete and the literal. One can at some point live without sex, and be more than contented without it, to continue your analogy. Why settle and depend on the gross level?
 

DNB

Christian
Is God an abstract concept?

Why, why not?
Abstract in the sense that only humans can comprehend such esoteric and intangible concepts. Consequently, therefore, no, He is not nothing more than an abstract thought in a human's mind, for it was not physical or material matter that could possibly precipitate such an insight in man. Spiritual awareness, in any creature, necessitates a spiritual dimension to their constitution, and this affinity with spirituality did not derive itself from stardust and protoplasm - the source was a Spirit itself.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Christian influence I see


You have no clue
It does seem to suggest sex isn't that important after your 20s.
And a god I want nothing to do with if it something akin to eschewing physical intimacy and viewing it as no biggie in a romantic relationship.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Is God an abstract concept?

Why, why not?
I once heard it said that god is like a pair of parallel lines. Such a concept, where the two lines stretch on forever, it doesn't exist in nature but we can conceptualize it and describe. Amd that's the description of god this character gave when asked if he believes in a higher power.
It's something when a stoner flick taking from Nietzsche and Whitman offer more to consider than an Religious Forums discussion on it.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Christian influence I see
What? What does saying there might be better ways to look at this, have to do with Christianity?

You have no clue
Are you so sure? That's too bad you so glibly dismiss this. I thought to maybe offer some insights for you since I thought you might be interested, but I'll respect you just want the concrete stuff and that the rest doesn't interest you. I'll respect it's just where you're at. Sorry if I offended you.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I once heard it said that god is like a pair of parallel lines. Such a concept, where the two lines stretch on forever, it doesn't exist in nature but we can conceptualize it and describe. Amd that's the description of god this character gave when asked if he believes in a higher power
:(
"Parallel lines"... I have no clue

Cool, I found the clip.
:cool:

Aha ... now I get it :D
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
There are many things God(s) could be.

What I know God(s) to be… is inspiration. Motivation. Inclination. Strength, and power. Wisdom, and beauty. Exemplars of archetypes we revere as humans. I would embrace this and forge a connection with God(s), and harness that connection to explore and achieve my dreams and truly live how I Will to live… regardless if the source of it all is Above or Below us, or Within us, or somehow outside and beyond this world.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
This is upsetting to you, so I'll just bow out here.
This is not upsetting me, this is about you

Not what you said, but how you said it

If people belittle feelings, beliefs of others when replying then I reply differently then I normally would reply

Note: I replied to this one seriously, because you did not use belittling words
 
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