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Theistic Humanism

The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
So, just always wondered but never been brave enough to ask (and too lazy to see if it has been asked yet) why the Humanism sub-DIR is in the Non-Theistic DIR when there are plenty of theistic humanists to say humanism isn't strictly non-theistic.

I always guessed that this DIR was specifically focusing on Secular Humanism, which brings two questions: why is it not specified "Secular" in the title? And why is there not another DIR for Non-secular Humanistic branches?

Master Vigil said:
Belief that humans can better the world by simply human means. Reason, logic, science, etc... There is no need for god. Alot also believe that humans are the greatest beings on the planet.
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By that definition, I would say I'm a theistic humanist. I believe in God, pantheistically (possibly with necessary extended detail) and I do at the same time find that humanity can and should better the world on its own without interference from God (not counting that being a part of God is somewhat divine intervention; needn't a door to be a window).

By others, I question if the title fits right. But as far as many definitions go for the term, I would say I'm a humanist and I'm a theist.
 
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StarryNightshade

StarryNightshade

Spiritually confused Jew
Premium Member
I would also say I'm a Theistic Humanist.

I believe in a Divine source, philosophy, mysticism, ritual (to an extent), and associate with a couple of religious communities.

However, I also believe in the progression of humanity as a whole, and strive for equality and social justice. However, the only thing that I think differentiates me from some other Hamanists is that I don't think humans are necessarily the "highest beings" on the planet.
 
Reptillian

Reptillian

Hamburgler Extraordinaire
The Sum of Awe said:
So, just always wondered but never been brave enough to ask (and too lazy to see if it has been asked yet) why the Humanism sub-DIR is in the Non-Theistic DIR when there are plenty of theistic humanists to say humanism isn't strictly non-theistic.

I always guessed that this DIR was specifically focusing on Secular Humanism, which brings two questions: why is it not specified "Secular" in the title? And why is there not another DIR for Non-secular Humanistic branches?



By that definition, I would say I'm a theistic humanist. I believe in God, pantheistically (possibly with necessary extended detail) and I do at the same time find that humanity can and should better the world on its own without interference from God (not counting that being a part of God is somewhat divine intervention; needn't a door to be a window).

By others, I question if the title fits right. But as far as many definitions go for the term, I would say I'm a humanist and I'm a theist.
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Man can conquer the world solely through reason and empiricism...where's the room for faith and God in that? Such a God is just an afterthought, a philosophical exercise...
 
The Sum of Awe

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Reptillian said:
Man can conquer the world solely through reason and empiricism...where's the room for faith and God in that? Such a God is just an afterthought, a philosophical exercise...
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That's not how I see it.

There's plenty of room for God, however God is completely irrelevant to human living. My complicated view of God would be similar to a vehicle going - not the engine making it go, not the acceleration, not the sum of parts working, but the actual action it's doing. The vehicle very well can exist without this going.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
StarryNightshade said:
I would also say I'm a Theistic Humanist.

I believe in a Divine source, philosophy, mysticism, ritual (to an extent), and associate with a couple of religious communities.

However, I also believe in the progression of humanity as a whole, and strive for equality and social justice. However, the only thing that I think differentiates me from some other Hamanists is that I don't think humans are necessarily the "highest beings" on the planet.
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I agree. I'm a humanist, too, and I certainly don't agree that humans are "highest beings" on this planet. If anything, I'm a misanthrope and I'm disgusted with my species. I like non-humans more.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
The Sum of Awe said:
So, just always wondered but never been brave enough to ask (and too lazy to see if it has been asked yet) why the Humanism sub-DIR is in the Non-Theistic DIR when there are plenty of theistic humanists to say humanism isn't strictly non-theistic.

I always guessed that this DIR was specifically focusing on Secular Humanism, which brings two questions: why is it not specified "Secular" in the title? And why is there not another DIR for Non-secular Humanistic branches?
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Humanism is secular in the way it cuts "god" out of the picture. Humanism took the concept of individual salvation from Christianity, and the metaphysics that advances from empiricism into modern-day science encouraged, and welded them into the idea that man's salvation is to be found in his own abilities, his own (and owned) world, and his own being. It's a philosophy of not-god, as opposed to one of no-god; secular doesn't mean atheist, secular means that god is not taken into consideration at all.

The Sum of Awe said:
Belief that humans can better the world by simply human means. Reason, logic, science, etc... There is no need for god. Alot also believe that humans are the greatest beings on the planet.
Click to expand...

By that definition, I would say I'm a theistic humanist. I believe in God, pantheistically (possibly with necessary extended detail) and I do at the same time find that humanity can and should better the world on its own without interference from God (not counting that being a part of God is somewhat divine intervention; needn't a door to be a window).

By others, I question if the title fits right. But as far as many definitions go for the term, I would say I'm a humanist and I'm a theist.
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The thing about materialistic pantheism is that it does a religious image "by simply human means," by which I mean it makes no claim to the sacred. It's okay for such an image to be humanist, and that's also why people can call it dressed-up atheism.
 
Balthazzar

Balthazzar

Christian Evolutionist
StarryNightshade said:
I would also say I'm a Theistic Humanist.

I believe in a Divine source, philosophy, mysticism, ritual (to an extent), and associate with a couple of religious communities.

However, I also believe in the progression of humanity as a whole, and strive for equality and social justice. However, the only thing that I think differentiates me from some other Hamanists is that I don't think humans are necessarily the "highest beings" on the planet.
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I think we're the god babies and schooling here - Self aware, value driven, and developing school kids. I'm not far from a humanist, but as a Christian Evolutionist and being value driven, I might be classified as one, particularly as my stance relates to human progress. I might also be classified as a Luciferienan, which according the humanist description, isn't too far from humanism. Truth, reality, honesty, logic, and reason seem to hold more weight than superstition, so .... There's aspects to life I'm ignorant of, so on that note, I try not to close my mind from more bizarre schools of thought - If I don't understand it, or recognize potential validity, I typically place it on the backburner wheels and try to stay focused on the more evident and explore - other territories.
 
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