Soapy
Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
The reference to the creed in the topic header (if that is what you are referring to) is simply to bring into focus that originally Trinitarians DID CLAIM that the Father was the creator of all things.I don’t put stock in the creeds. I prefer what is taught in scripture.
And so, how, after claiming that the Father created all things, did they then claim that if was the SON who created all things.
As you can see from the responses, no trinitarian has any answer to this dilemma of belief - why? Simply because it cannot be resolved… because it is clear that the Son did not create anything::: the scripture (if you translate it properly and truthfully) says that the world and everything in if was created FOR THE SON!
However, since words can have multiple meanings, determined, ignorant, malicious, or plain arrogant readers and translators will choose an ineffable meaning to try to prove their point.
It is clear, is it not, that if the world was created FOR HIM then he cannot be the one who created it.
Besides, the world is GRANTED as a reward to the Son for dying for sinful mankind… how then is the Son granted what he is supposed to have created.
Moreover, the very word (title), ‘Father’, means : ‘Creator’…. Jesus is not called ‘Father’!!!
And…,.. Since scriptures says if was there Father who created all things… and trinity says it was Jesus… do you think then that when Jesus says, “I and the Father are one”, given what was said earlier, Trinitarians should be falling over themselves to say that ‘Jesus IS the Father’!!
But they don’t.
Why?
Because, one, it’s not true. Two, they could not then have a trinity. And note that even Trinitarians do not claim that the spirit of God created anything!!!
All in all the trinity belief presents a plethora of dilemmas that have no resolution. Their only resort is to keep blindly regurgitating unfathomable claims that do not hold water under even the simplest of examination.