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Iran Captures UK Marines and Sailors
- Thread starter Radio Frequency X
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Radio Frequency X said:
I dunno... if these hostilities continue, it could lead to war.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Of you do know the Brits are going to have to break out their double oh's now?
I'm tellin' ya, Amadidajob or whatever is not going to stop until he has his war.
I'm tellin' ya, Amadidajob or whatever is not going to stop until he has his war.
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
Radio Frequency X said:
Gulf of Tongkin
Attack on USS Cole?
Radio Frequency X
World Leader Pretend
Djamila said:Not this again.
I'll wait for the update tomorrow or the next day saying the British were actually in Iranian waters to begin with before commenting.
They were, after being led into Iranian waters, by Iranian ships.
Djamila
Bosnjakinja
Radio Frequency X said:
Pfft... wait and see. These things always following the same formula.
1. "Oh my God! Look what they did to us!"
"OH MY GOD! GET THEM!"
2. "Oh my God! Look what they did to us! (But, by the way...)"
"OH MY GOD! GET THEM!"
As opposed to:
1. "Oops"
"Oh wow... better negotiatie.
2. "All fixed."
"Until the next elections..."
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
I doubt they were, unless for some reason they had gone off course, which seems unlikely.Djamila said:Not this again.
I'll wait for the update tomorrow or the next day saying the British were actually in Iranian waters to begin with before commenting.
A fleet commander is unlikely to send a single frigate into foreign waters, without any form of backup or radar looking out for approaching vessels.
A surveillance vessel, which i can only assume it was if it was sent into Iranian waters, would not allow itself to be surrounded and boarded while checking out a merchant ship - they were taken by surprise when, if they were there illegally, they would have been on their guard.
Djamila
Bosnjakinja
From the Bosnian press (ranked 19th in the world, don't forget - US is 50-something):
...A diplomatic row between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United Kingdom of Great Britain is raising fears of military solutions on both sides of the dispute.
More than a dozen British marines and sailors, among them one woman, were arrested Friday in the Shatt al'Arab waterway - a hotly contested piece of marine real estate that both Iran and Iraq claim as their own...
...A diplomatic row between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United Kingdom of Great Britain is raising fears of military solutions on both sides of the dispute.
More than a dozen British marines and sailors, among them one woman, were arrested Friday in the Shatt al'Arab waterway - a hotly contested piece of marine real estate that both Iran and Iraq claim as their own...
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
Gates is going to have a huge headache. Out of one war, into another.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
I think Iran is just repeating what it did in 2004, its just an elaborate show to "disgrace" the British navy and steal our ships.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is clearly insane, seems to think he has some kind of power, that if he were to go to war with the West that he stands a chance of winning. He doesn't.
He thinks that just because we settled the dispute peacefully last time that we're pushovers. We'd gladly settle peacefully again, we aren't a warmongering nation, but if he pushes us he'll get squashed in return.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who is clearly insane, seems to think he has some kind of power, that if he were to go to war with the West that he stands a chance of winning. He doesn't.
He thinks that just because we settled the dispute peacefully last time that we're pushovers. We'd gladly settle peacefully again, we aren't a warmongering nation, but if he pushes us he'll get squashed in return.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Halcyon said:
It doesn't look like this was a recon mission at all. Why would they risk it when they have satalites?
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
Halcyon said:
For some reason I had Pink Floyd music running through my head when reading your post...
Would you like to see Britannia rule again, my friend?
All ya have to do is follow the worms.
[raising a pint]
Djamila
Bosnjakinja
I also don't believe the British were trying to gather intelligence information about Iran - there countless better ways to do it than to send a ship up the Shatt al'Arab.
I do, however, believe the British should've learned their lesson the last time this happened. The Shatt al'Arab is disputed between Iran and Iraq and to send your ships up through it, after already having had ships confiscated by the Iranians in 2004, demonstrates either a willingness to provoke, or complete stupidity. In both cases, the ships are better off ashore...
From the Iranian point of view, this is too matter-of-fact. It's like when people say "Arabian Gulf" instead of "Persian Gulf"... doing that could cause a very significant diplomatic crisis with Iran, even though the foreign official saying the term probably had no idea what he was doing. This is something similar, the British are stubbornly and defiantly behaving as though the Shatt al'Arab is Iraqi territory they have jurisdiction over. Iran disagrees - this is what happens.
I do, however, believe the British should've learned their lesson the last time this happened. The Shatt al'Arab is disputed between Iran and Iraq and to send your ships up through it, after already having had ships confiscated by the Iranians in 2004, demonstrates either a willingness to provoke, or complete stupidity. In both cases, the ships are better off ashore...
From the Iranian point of view, this is too matter-of-fact. It's like when people say "Arabian Gulf" instead of "Persian Gulf"... doing that could cause a very significant diplomatic crisis with Iran, even though the foreign official saying the term probably had no idea what he was doing. This is something similar, the British are stubbornly and defiantly behaving as though the Shatt al'Arab is Iraqi territory they have jurisdiction over. Iran disagrees - this is what happens.
Djamila
Bosnjakinja
It's also strange that it would happen a day before the UN was set to vote about additional sanctions against Iran.
Another point I'd like to make is that such actions by the Iranian government don't necessarily demonstrate "insanity". Such measures play very well to the Iranian public, as they would to any public whose government defends their national interests.
Another point I'd like to make is that such actions by the Iranian government don't necessarily demonstrate "insanity". Such measures play very well to the Iranian public, as they would to any public whose government defends their national interests.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
That's possible, but it is still stupid on Iran's part. They know Bush is literally bouncing in his chair to go to war again, yet they pull a stunt like this when they could have left it well enough alone.Djamila said:I also don't believe the British were trying to gather intelligence information about Iran - there countless better ways to do it than to send a ship up the Shatt al'Arab.
I do, however, believe the British should've learned their lesson the last time this happened. The Shatt al'Arab is disputed between Iran and Iraq and to send your ships up through it, after already having had ships confiscated by the Iranians in 2004, demonstrates either a willingness to provoke, or complete stupidity. In both cases, the ships are better off ashore...
From the Iranian point of view, this is too matter-of-fact. It's like when people say "Arabian Gulf" instead of "Persian Gulf"... doing that could cause a very significant diplomatic crisis with Iran, even though the foreign official saying the term probably had no idea what he was doing. This is something similar, the British are stubbornly and defiantly behaving as though the Shatt al'Arab is Iraqi territory they have jurisdiction over. Iran disagrees - this is what happens.
Now its simply a matter of giving us back our people, totally unharmed, and our equipment or facing the unpleasant consequences.
Djamila
Bosnjakinja
Halcyon said:
It's about honor, Halcyon. It's as important to Iranians as it is to my people. It's not even... possible... that the Iranians would let such a thing slide. It doesn't even enter the mind...
You need to think, I don't know... "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", "The Sopranos". These honor cultures are very different from yours but VERY predictable. VERY predictable.
It doesn't take much thinking to know exactly how Iran, or Bosnia, or Greece, or Turkey is going to respond to such a thing.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
I don't see the honour in capturing practically defensless naval personnel, then blindfolding them and parading them through the streets, forcing them to confess lies on camera etc.Djamila said:
If that's honourable then they need a good kick up the arse to teach them a lesson in how to behave as human beings.