An Ontological Proof that God Does Not Exist

Tiberius · Aug 3, 2022

firedragon said:
Really? I didn't know that. Thanks for the enlightenment.

But read what I said again so that you could understand a little better. In Philosophy some people called philosophers use words to mean something more advance in definition. That's why being simple minded and looking in a dictionary just for an argument is absurd.

If you want me to accept a particular definition, then how about you link to it in the first place instead of just using a word and expecting everyone to just somehow KNOW that you are using some hyper-advanced meaning?

Your OP was a joke. I told you many times.

And did I ever say otherwise? No I didn't. So why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

I even gave you the historical information, names, the one who said it and the one who narrated. You just don't want to accept what someone says for some reason.

And when did I ever reject any of that?

These things are nothing knew. It's very well known, and has been known for a long long time.

That should be "new", not "knew", but then again, maybe you are using some hyper-advanced, philosopher's definition of "knew" (like you did with the word "parody" earlier) so I can't be sure. Please spell it out for me! I would go to the dictionary, but you've already shown those stupid books can't be trusted!

firedragon · Aug 3, 2022

Tiberius said:
If you want me to accept a particular definition, then how about you link to it in the first place instead of just using a word and expecting everyone to just somehow KNOW that you are using some hyper-advanced meaning?

No. Don't accept it. Its fine.

Tiberius said:
And did I ever say otherwise? No I didn't. So why are you getting your knickers in a twist?

And when did I ever reject any of that?

It's not about rejecting. It's about doing a bit of research. I never said that you don't think it's a parody. I told you that the parody is a joke. It's just useless. False. It's not ontological in any way. That's about it.

Tiberius said:
That should be "new", not "knew"

Oh thank you so much for the correction. True., It's new.

Tiberius said:
maybe you are using some hyper-advanced, philosopher's definition of "knew"

no no. You were correct oh great one. I made a typing error. You spotted it. Well done.

BilliardsBall · Aug 4, 2022

Tiberius said:
Yeah, that's why 99% of the world get on just fine with no religious differences whatsoever. Honestly, if I rolled my eyes any harder, I'd be able to see my own brain.

Wow, that's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You do realise that we atheists don't live our lives spending each day justifying why we shouldn't believe in God, right?

When you spout nonsense like this, you only reveal to everyone that you think atheists treat atheism the same way Christians treat Christianity. Like it's something that takes over your whole life. It's not. But when you tell stories that have your so-called atheists treating it like that, you are only revealing that you don't know what you're talking about. And since you don't know, you guess, and your guesses are based off the most ridiculous things.

Without trying to anger you, respectfully, you goal post shifted. Instead of "only a tiny minority disbelieve" you have "religious people argue", which, by the way, is tantamount to "all are sinners and fall short of God's glory, requiring trusting in Christ," per the Bible.

And in my anecdotal experience, all atheists do things daily that are unbiblical, therefore sinful, for example, dishonoring the Sabbath, not placing God first, taking God's name in vain--it's hardly "the most ridiculous thing" you've heard that atheists disobey most of the biblical commandments, constantly.

Tiberius · Aug 4, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
Without trying to anger you, respectfully, you goal post shifted. Instead of "only a tiny minority disbelieve" you have "religious people argue", which, by the way, is tantamount to "all are sinners and fall short of God's glory, requiring trusting in Christ," per the Bible.

And in my anecdotal experience, all atheists do things daily that are unbiblical, therefore sinful, for example, dishonoring the Sabbath, not placing God first, taking God's name in vain--it's hardly "the most ridiculous thing" you've heard that atheists disobey most of the biblical commandments, constantly.

You missed my point. You claimed that 99% of people are in your chamber. This is not true, not unless you consider any and all religious belief to be the same. There are, of course, significant differences between the different faiths, and even within faiths, so your claim that 99% of people agree with you seems more than a little dishonest.

BilliardsBall · Aug 5, 2022

Tiberius said:
You missed my point. You claimed that 99% of people are in your chamber. This is not true, not unless you consider any and all religious belief to be the same. There are, of course, significant differences between the different faiths, and even within faiths, so your claim that 99% of people agree with you seems more than a little dishonest.

Of course I consider all religious belief to be the same, you do also--you think 99% of people are deceived/have perceptual biases.

Tiberius · Aug 6, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
Of course I consider all religious belief to be the same...

Hang on, give me a minute to stop laughing.

Sheldon · Aug 6, 2022

YoursTrue said:
Lol, there you go! Ridiculous either way.

Nope, well not either any anyway.

YoursTrue · Aug 6, 2022

Sheldon said:
Nope, well not either any anyway.

Have a good one as the expression goes.

Sheldon · Aug 7, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
And in my anecdotal experience, all atheists do things daily that are unbiblical, therefore sinful, for example, dishonoring the Sabbath, not placing God first, taking God's name in vain--it's hardly "the most ridiculous thing" you've heard that atheists disobey most of the biblical commandments, constantly.

It's trivially true that atheists don't believe in a deity, thus it would also be trivially true they don't follow archaic theistic dogma, why would they. To me honouring one particular day over the others is absurd.

Sheldon · Aug 7, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
Of course I consider all religious belief to be the same, you do also--you think 99% of people are deceived/have perceptual biases.

Disbelieving all the different theistic beliefs doesn't make them all the same belief, that's a preposterous idea.

BilliardsBall · Aug 8, 2022

Tiberius said:
You missed my point. You claimed that 99% of people are in your chamber. This is not true, not unless you consider any and all religious belief to be the same. There are, of course, significant differences between the different faiths, and even within faiths, so your claim that 99% of people agree with you seems more than a little dishonest.

I got your point--here's mine. 99% of people believe in something numinous, transcendent, metaphysical. Why are your beliefs aberrant, do you think?

BilliardsBall · Aug 8, 2022

Sheldon said:
Disbelieving all the different theistic beliefs doesn't make them all the same belief, that's a preposterous idea.

All the ideas are wrong, though, to you. 99% of people are deceived. How did you come to realize we inmates run your asylum?

Tiberius · Aug 8, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
I got your point--here's mine. 99% of people believe in something numinous, transcendent, metaphysical. Why are your beliefs aberrant, do you think?

Let's not forget that this 99% of people can't actually agree on anything about this numinous, transcendent, metaphysical thing.

By the way, the actual number is 84%. There about 16% of people who don't hold any religious affiliation. The Global Religious Landscape.

The fact that you got this wrong suggests that either you were just making stuff up or didn't bother to do your research.

BilliardsBall · Aug 9, 2022

Tiberius said:
Let's not forget that this 99% of people can't actually agree on anything about this numinous, transcendent, metaphysical thing.

By the way, the actual number is 84%. There about 16% of people who don't hold any religious affiliation. The Global Religious Landscape.

The fact that you got this wrong suggests that either you were just making stuff up or didn't bother to do your research.

The actual number is 84% WHAT?

84% of people, not 99%, are insane and believe in invisible non-entities?

How can you live in such a deceived world? Thank GOD you're here at RF to help us all!!

Tiberius · Aug 9, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
The actual number is 84% WHAT?

84% of people, not 99%, are insane and believe in invisible non-entities?

How can you live in such a deceived world? Thank GOD you're here at RF to help us all!!

You got anything to offer except sarcasm?

BilliardsBall · Aug 10, 2022

Tiberius said:
You got anything to offer except sarcasm?

YES, you said 84% as if I was wrong about 99%, what do 84% of people AGREE on since you said they all DISAGREE amongst themselves?

Tiberius · Aug 10, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
YES, you said 84% as if I was wrong about 99%, what do 84% of people AGREE on since you said they all DISAGREE amongst themselves?

They agree on very little.

Yes, they all agree that there is a deity of some description, but they can't even agree on who it is.

And are you REALLY playing the argument from popularity card?

Sheldon · Aug 10, 2022

BilliardsBall said:
99% of people believe in something numinous, transcendent, metaphysical.

The majority of them don't share your beliefs. The only thing they all absolutely have in common is a complete dearth of any objective evidence to support them.

MonkeyFire · Aug 10, 2022

Wrong. As a fallen angel, what we understand is hate suffers innately, and there is other way for nature to occur. The greatest possible fall was self sacrifice and a life time of suffering with the human race until I bring sorrow back to Heaven, and while I’m doing that I can deliver the wisdom the human race depends on.

Omnipotence is nice and all, but compassion is necessary to, and apparently something got lose from a healing pasture, fore it is told wrath must be purchased with blood, and we ask that you stand with wrath even though He suffers shortly. Without suffrage and salvation there is no gratitude, let a lone human nature. Therefore there is a human messiah, or your existence is flawed with pointlessness.

BilliardsBall · Aug 11, 2022

Tiberius said:
They agree on very little.

Yes, they all agree that there is a deity of some description, but they can't even agree on who it is.

And are you REALLY playing the argument from popularity card?

No, ad populum is a logical fallacy that I recognize. Rather, now that you and I agree that most people who've ever lived believe in some kind of deity, I'm asking if you understand that despite ad populum, most of the time, when most people agree on a fact, they are correct.

Or put differently, how did you come to understand that 84%-99% of all persons living today are nuts?!

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