True. it was the Reformation that sent things off the rails.
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Fewer Americans see Bible as literal
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True. it was the Reformation that sent things off the rails.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for your response, but I don't know what the above has to do with what I posted.
I can't recall when porfessor Alexander Tyler lived, but a long time ago he said that a democracy is temporary in nature. It exists until the people discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury thus collapse is due to loose fiscal policy - followed by dictatorship.
'since ignorance is merely lack of knowledge', what does that say for today's technocracy ___________
It is a BIG stretch outside of Scripture.
Jesus' promise is that humble meek people will inherit the "Earth" - Matthew 5:5 from Psalms 37:9-11,29
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Perhaps a bad economy can make the wealth the religions have amassed and think how easy it will be for the political to take their $$$$$ even through the international banking system.
Do you have a passage or example in mind __________
Psalm23
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I was thinking of the book of Revelation as an example of something that seems like there is a lot of symbolism going on. Daniel's visions in Daniel chapters 7 and 8 also seem to have a bunch of symbolism.
Larry R Camp
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URAVIP2ME
Secular entities and men control the $$ you so fear will end in the hands of teleevangelists, well that is a side issue. The function of the republic is to "BRING CHRIST TO THE NATIONS". It is our true MANIFEST DESTINY, best we start, or Teddy Roosevelt will kick our arses.
Secular entities and men control the $$ you so fear will end in the hands of teleevangelists, well that is a side issue. The function of the republic is to "BRING CHRIST TO THE NATIONS". It is our true MANIFEST DESTINY, best we start, or Teddy Roosevelt will kick our arses.
Wandering Monk
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Check Jewish eschatology for some ideas. For instance, Leviathan and the Beast from the Sea.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Hmm, I usually think the opposite. Religion lost a lot of its political power as a result of the Reformation. Perhaps both sides clamped down a bit harder on people shortly after it happened. Would Galileo have been jailed before the Reformation? By Napoleon's time we had scientists like Laplace who said about God "I have no need of that hypothesis". He is alleged to have explained that further with:
“This hypothesis, Sir, explains in fact everything, but does not permit to predict anything. As a scholar, I must provide you with works permitting predictions.”
Quantum Diaries
Would we have advanced to that point with a single monolithic and very powerful Church?
Larry R Camp
Member
Just what is that message on the statue of Liberty. Something about send me........, OH! A nation of peasants becomes the most dominant on earth, but only as long as it follows the founders.
Sand Dancer
Crazy Cat Lady
That sounds great to me.
Yes, I find Revelation does connect to Daniel - Daniel 12:4, Daniel 12:9 and our day - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
Since we are in the Lord's Day (Rev. 1:10) in other words, Revelation is for our day or time frame.
Daniel's words help explain the symbolism (Rev. 1:1) found in Revelation.
Revelation which means a revealing, a revealing of the happy future to come - Revelation 22:2
Isaiah also said ' send me ' at Isaiah 6:8 B.
As with Isaiah, God's people (No matter where living on Earth) would offer themselves willingly to serve God - Psalms 110:3
Willingly just like the apostles did with Jesus as founder - Matthew 4:20; Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Leviathan and Behemoth I find have nothing to do with Revelation.
Leviathan (Job 41) generally describes the animal we call a crocodile.
Behemoth (Job 40) generally describes the animal we call a hippo.
In Revelation the Beast from the sea is 'symbolic' and Not a real animal. - Revelation 13
The restless sea of humanity (Isaiah 57:20; Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15
Thankfully the Bible has corresponding cross-reference verses and passages that helps us to understand.
My old King James (I have since 1968) has so many margin study notes that many pages need tape to stay in place.
Bible study is a life-long process, and I do like the format for the on-line book 'Enjoy Life Forever' at www.jw.org
Just what is that message on the Isaiah Wall found at the United Nations Plaza - Isaiah 2:4 __________
Something about turning war weapons into farming equipment..........
I don't fear the $$$$$ will end in the hands of TVevangelists the political will turn on them too and very easily could take take the wealth the religions have amassed easily through the international banking system.
No matter where on Earth, the function of all Christians no matter where they live on Earth to to declare the good news (gospel) about God's Kingdom ( thy kingdom come.... ) to the whole world. -> Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Christians everywhere on Earth are to do that international work as Jesus said to do and they are.
Teddy Roosevelt will find this out when he is resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
Modern technology has made possible rapid Bible translation to people right were they live on Earth.
In other words, even remote people can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
Jesus was a Theocrat ( governed by God ) thus Jesus promoted the Theocracy of Daniel 2:44 God's Kingdom.
( No, Not the modern-day definition of theocracy which is rule by clergy or rule by clergy class )
Jesus is King or Head of God's kingdom government for a thousand years over Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26
I'm wondering what in particular sounds great to you__________________
End of war - Psalms 46:9; Micah 4:3-4; Isaiah 2:4
End of violence - Psalms 72:14
End of sickness - Isaiah 33:24
End of pollution - Revelation 11:18 B
End of natural disasters - Mark 4:39;6:51
End of insecurity - Ezekiel 34:25
End of homelessness - Isaiah 65:21-22; Psalms 72:12-13
End of hunger and thirst - Revelation 7:16
End of death on Earth - Isaiah 25:8; 1 Corinthians 15:26