• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

What reward did Jesus receive for his sacrifice as God on earth?

alex2165

Member
Yes, when Jesus spoke to the people, He only claimed to be a Son of GOD.

Well, if Jesus is a Son of GOD, would be reasonable to assume that He is also GOD?

John 10.30
30."I and the Father are One."

John 12.45
45.”And whoever sees Me, sees Him Who sent Me.”

John 14.11
11."Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe on account of the works themselves."

But at the same time Jesus also always put His Father higher than Himself, and here is nothing extraordinary, because even on Earth the father always higher than his son.

John 14.28
28."You heard that I said to you, 'I go away and I will come to you.' If you love Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father, the Father is greater than I."

So at least, according to these verses, Jesus indeed claimed that He is GOD by making Himself equal GOD with His Father.


Concerning His reward, it is written:

Isaiah 53.12
12.Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong, because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors (Mark 15.28) (Luke 22.37), yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.'

Colossians 1.18
18.He is also Head of the body, the church, and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything.


Isaiah 53.10-12
10.But the Lord was pleased to crush Him (Zechariah 13.7) (Matthew 26.31) (Mark 14.27), putting Him to grief if He would render Himself as a Guilt Offering (Isaiah 53.10) (Romans 8.3) (Ephesians 5.2) (1John 4.10). He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His land (Isaiah 53.10) (Ephesians 5.2) (1John 4.10).

11.As a result of the anguish of His Soul He will see it and be satisfied. By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many as He will bear their iniquities.

12.Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong, because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors (Mark 15.28) (Luke 22.37), yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.'
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you state a natural returned heavens that inhumane science men bast ards had burnt sacrificed caused...then it came back by cooling evolution. And you could live as a healthy human finally. Cell body existing function.

Then it was natural first with gods heavens originally. As humans and men. Says conscious memory. We owned it first our health said men before science.

O as cell type holding is movement in human biology.

If life nearly died by incoming Satan star fall burning Rome the owner caused its occurrence....of using new but old technology. Stonehenge the new addition claim....my sciences safe then blew up.

They lied as scientists as men are liars.

So when everyone thought life was going to end burnt sacrificed to death. I've endured a few biological attack incidences myself already. To know I understand what they endured.

After a four day carpenter tectonic earthquake of heavens voiding darkness. Life returned to normal. As vacuum void mother womb took away the dying body. Alight burning mass.

As life on God earths mass is to be set alight instead of owning cold mass fused entombed. Said science.

It's just how old earth science was explained.

Thankful we still owned human cell body health type after void stopped the attack.... we were gracious believers science is illegal.

Proven.

So thanks rich man brother legal implementer who hasn't upheld his truth. Reason science was outlawed.

Thanks for your dishonesty.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
Yes, when Jesus spoke to the people, He only claimed to be a Son of GOD.

Well, if Jesus is a Son of GOD, would be reasonable to assume that He is also GOD?

John 10.30
30."I and the Father are One."

John 12.45
45.”And whoever sees Me, sees Him Who sent Me.”

John 14.11
11."Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe on account of the works themselves."

But at the same time Jesus also always put His Father higher than Himself, and here is nothing extraordinary, because even on Earth the father always higher than his son.

John 14.28
28."You heard that I said to you, 'I go away and I will come to you.' If you love Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father, the Father is greater than I."

So at least, according to these verses, Jesus indeed claimed that He is GOD by making Himself equal GOD with His Father.


Concerning His reward, it is written:

Isaiah 53.12
12.Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong, because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors (Mark 15.28) (Luke 22.37), yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.'

Colossians 1.18
18.He is also Head of the body, the church, and He is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, so that He Himself might come to have first place in everything.


Isaiah 53.10-12
10.But the Lord was pleased to crush Him (Zechariah 13.7) (Matthew 26.31) (Mark 14.27), putting Him to grief if He would render Himself as a Guilt Offering (Isaiah 53.10) (Romans 8.3) (Ephesians 5.2) (1John 4.10). He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His land (Isaiah 53.10) (Ephesians 5.2) (1John 4.10).

11.As a result of the anguish of His Soul He will see it and be satisfied. By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many as He will bear their iniquities.

12.Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great, and He will divide the booty with the strong, because He poured out Himself to death, and was numbered with the transgressors (Mark 15.28) (Luke 22.37), yet He Himself bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.'
Well, if Jesus is a Son of GOD, would be reasonable to assume that He is also GOD?
No!!

‘God’ is a TITLE that denotes the highest position in office - the highest, greatest, most majestic, the all mighty of all mighties in context.

There can be only one such entity in any context.

To be ‘God’ is not an inherited position anymore than a child can be called ‘King’ just because his Father his Father is ‘King’. Simply, a son of a ‘King’ is called a ‘Prince’.

But a ‘Son’ in spiritual terms is not procreated. ‘Son’ means ‘One who does the works of [him who gives him the works]’.

Jesus said he was ‘Son of God’ (‘God is my Father’) because he, Jesus, was ‘Doing the works of my Father… if I am not doing them then do not believe me!’

How does that ring with you? What did Jesus mean, to you? Surely you can see the spiritual element of what Jesus was saying…. There is no aspect of claiming to be ‘GOD’.

‘Equal to God’? Where did that come from - isn’t that a massively spurious? ‘God’ anointed Jesus to be able to use the spirit of God to do good. The power involved does not belong to Jesus. In fact, before Jesus does any works involving the use of the spirit of God he first prays to God: a Father gives his Son access to his (the Father) bank account containing millions of dollars). The son asks the Father on every occasion before he access the account - and uses small amounts of the money to do good among the poor.

He doesn’t use any of it to profit himself, in fact, he acts as though he has no money - he does not abuse the access his Father has given him (See Phil 2) - no, not even to save his own life but died in the most humiliating manner for a Jew: being hung on a tree!!
 
Last edited:
Top