Do atheists believe in magnetism?

blü 2 said:

Thanks for your fair and civil answer.

I did >try to send the system an enquiry< a long time back but all I got was nothing.

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I read your link, about your 3 meditation sessions
You did find the correct way to contact God

You wrote that each session was 30 to 35 minutes long, of which 3/4 was meditation (more than 22,5min total silence). That's amazing, and that should have been sufficient. (the easier way is to have a Guru who can grant you this experience, that's what got me 'hooked')

Usually not easy for me "pitch dark, not 1 thought for 30 minutes", near to impossible even, nowadays. But your post inspired me, to drop my 'laziness' and start doing more Meditation, thanks for sharing

I did manage after many years of spiritual practice, to reduce the thoughts quite a bit. By Sai Baba's Grace, once even for almost 12 hours, hardly any thoughts. I was quite driven and focused at that time, and took a lot of additional effort...2 weeks fasting on fruits and total silence, not 1 word, prior to the 12h session; on top of spending many years in the Ashram of Sai Baba.

I don't understand why God did not reveal Himself, because Sai Baba promised that God must reveal Himself after 21 minutes of Meditation (meaning not 1 thought)

Policy said:

You position is that your explanations for your experiences are true because you say that they are true. And that no one who has had your experience could possibly disagree with you.

Pfui.

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No, I said that you better get your own experiences, and don't think too much about mine

Of course, only if you have genuine interest to experience God

Truth in love said:

A common sentiment from atheists is that they won’t believe in things that can’t be shown.

We cannot see it, we can’t touch it. In the case of electromagnetic devices it is not always there. Yet one can observe its effects being inline with a given theory.

So is it believed in?

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I thought the thread was about this kind of magnetism:

Animal magnetism - Wikipedia

Shadow Wolf said:

Hogwash. Magnetism is perfect visible and demonstrable to exist.

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Exactly.

stvdv said:

I read your link, about your 3 meditation sessions
You did find the correct way to contact God

You wrote that each session was 30 to 35 minutes long, of which 3/4 was meditation (more than 22,5min total silence). That's amazing, and that should have been sufficient. (the easier way is to have a Guru who can grant you this experience, that's what got me 'hooked')

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No, I can't claim anything too remarkable. I'd get comfortable with my simple relaxation technique, and when that started to waver, somewhere between five and ten minutes ─ I didn't particularly keep track of times, only a start time and a finish time ─ I'd take a break for a short time, maybe a minute or two, and then start again. Early tends to be longer, later tends to be shorter, three or four sessions of reasonable length. Or so it seems to me as I try to remember the experience of it ─ it was some decades ago.

Shadow Wolf said:

Hogwash. Magnetism is perfect visible and demonstrable to exist.
We can't see it with our naked eye, of course, but that's a lot of stuff including all electromagnetic waves below and above the visible (to humans) color spectrum, which ranges from red to violet. Infrared we can't see, ultraviolet we can't see, we can't see below or above them, but they still exist and we can demonstrate they exist. Such as wifi. That operates far below the visible spectrum.

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A magnet, as shown above, is modeled as having both a North and South Pole. Ironically, science has never seen or isolated a magnetic monopole. This means magnets are modeled using two imaginary monopoles. In essence, this is like saying, if two unicorns are combined they equal one horse; 2 imaginary things make one real thing.

Math is like a faithful horse that will go anywhere you lead it. For example, in video games, the physics engines are based on math that says that infinite lives are important to game play. The math, like a faithful horse, will walk to the market place, pulling the cart carrying infinite lives.

What is more fundamental than the math, are the conceptual considerations, that you use that are then modeled with math. The math does not care which way you go; different theories, since it is faithful horse, willing to pull whatever is placed in the cart, even two imaginary magnetic monopoles equals a full magnet.

Seeing may not always be the best way to conceptually approach reality, since the magnet sure looks like it has two monopoles. But in reality, it is only one real thing even if it looks like two. This affect is connected to a 2-D tree of knowledge of good and evil; subroutine illusion, that started with Adam and Eve. The subroutine of there brain, makes the brain divide reality into opposites, even where nature is not divided in reality.

blü 2 said:

No, I can't claim anything too remarkable. I'd get comfortable with my simple relaxation technique, and when that started to waver, somewhere between five and ten minutes ─ I didn't particularly keep track of times, only a start time and a finish time ─ I'd take a break for a short time, maybe a minute or two, and then start again. Early tends to be longer, later tends to be shorter, three or four sessions of reasonable length. Or so it seems to me as I try to remember the experience of it ─ it was some decades ago.

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Thank you for explaining

wellwisher said:

A magnet, as shown above, is modeled as having both a North and South Pole. Ironically, science has never seen or isolated a magnetic monopole. This means magnets are modeled using two imaginary monopoles. In essence, this is like saying, if two unicorns are combined they equal one horse; 2 imaginary things make one real thing.

Math is like a faithful horse that will go anywhere you lead it. For example, in video games, the physics engines are based on math that says that infinite lives are important to game play. The math, like a faithful horse, will walk to the market place, pulling the cart carrying infinite lives.

What is more fundamental than the math, are the conceptual considerations, that you use that are then modeled with math. The math does not care which way you go; different theories, since it is faithful horse, willing to pull whatever is placed in the cart, even two imaginary magnetic monopoles equals a full magnet.

Seeing may not always be the best way to conceptually approach reality, since the magnet sure looks like it has two monopoles. But in reality, it is only one real thing even if it looks like two. This affect is connected to a 2-D tree of knowledge of good and evil; subroutine illusion, that started with Adam and Eve. The subroutine of there brain, makes the brain divide reality into opposites, even where nature is not divided in reality.

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You obviously know little about magnetism. A monopole is a hypothetical particle, science has not isolated it because it may not exist.

In the real world a magnetic is one unit with its atoms ordered in a particular direction.

Magnetism is a field that doesn't need maths to work so I'll ignore that straw man.

Nor has it anything to do with mythology.






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Truth in love said:

A common sentiment from atheists is that they won’t believe in things that can’t be shown.

We cannot see it, we can’t touch it. In the case of electromagnetic devices it is not always there. Yet one can observe its effects being inline with a given theory.

So is it believed in?

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Magnetism is extremely demonstrable. What are you talking about?

Truth in love said:

A common sentiment from atheists is that they won’t believe in things that can’t be shown.

We cannot see it, we can’t touch it. In the case of electromagnetic devices it is not always there. Yet one can observe its effects being inline with a given theory.
So is it believed in?

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Well, atheists believe in something. And sure enough, here they are on "Religious Forums," expounding their beliefs. So worry not, atheists already have beliefs, which means that if you're considering converting them, you're already half-way there.

Qwin said:

Well, atheists believe in something. And sure enough, here they are on "Religious Forums," expounding their beliefs. So worry not, atheists already have beliefs, which means that if you're considering converting them, you're already half-way there.

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Everybody believes in various things. For example i believe you don't actually know the definition of atheist, am i correct?

Here, let me help.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. And when someone comes up with evidence to dispel that belief then atheist is history. Over tens of thousands of years literally billions of people have attempted to provide falsifiable evidence of god/gods and all have failed.

stvdv said:

That was my whole point. Only after one experiences "God" for themselves people can be convinced about a "God" experience.

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For all I know you may be very correct here.

But it can be difficult and confusing to even attempt to talk about those matters with any clarity. All the more when no care is taken to specify what is meant by "god" and "god experience".

And there is no prior certainty that @Policy 's point won't stand (I think that it does stand): whatever other people call god experiences may very well be fully known by atheists, and we just don't find justification to call them divine in any way, shape or form.

ChristineM said:

Everybody believes in various things. For example i believe you don't actually know the definition of atheist, am i correct?

Here, let me help.

Atheist: a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Nothing more, nothing less. And when someone comes up with evidence to dispel that belief then atheist is history. Over tens of thousands of years literally billions of people have attempted to provide falsifiable evidence of god/gods and all have failed.

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lol, if only belief were black and white and there was no confusion of names and definitions. Such a statement re atheists means that the existence of God, or gods, is defined. It isn't, so the truth of the statement is based on an assumption.

Qwin said:

lol, if only belief were black and white and there was no confusion of names and definitions. Such a statement re atheists means that the existence of God, or gods, is defined. It isn't, so the truth of the statement is based on an assumption.

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No it doesn't mean there is a definition for gods, it simply means atheist do not believe in supernatural deities, magic woo beings or any other myth identified as a god

ChristineM said:

No it doesn't mean there is a definition for gods, it simply means atheist do not believe in supernatural deities, magic woo beings or any other myth identified as a god

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As you say, "it doesn't mean there is a definition for god..." You therefore mean: you don't know what you don't believe in, but you don't believe in whatever-it-is, which not an exhibition of knowledge or an answer to my question. Surely the purpose of "Religious Forums" is to talk about that which is beyond, about which you clearly have no interest, except to mock with statements like: "magic woo beings..."

PearlSeeker said:

I thought the thread was about this kind of magnetism:

Animal magnetism - Wikipedia

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Checkmate theists!

Qwin said:

As you say, "it doesn't mean there is a definition for god..." You therefore mean: you don't know what you don't believe in, but you don't believe in whatever-it-is, which not an exhibition of knowledge or an answer to my question. Surely the purpose of "Religious Forums" is to talk about that which is beyond, about which you clearly have no interest, except to mock with statements like: "magic woo beings..."

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I said what I don't believe in, if you can provide falsifiable evidence to show a god or gods exist, feel free to enlighten us.

And don't tell me what i mean,

And i suggest you also read the RF mission statement, you may find it an education

Truth in love said:

A common sentiment from atheists is that they won’t believe in things that can’t be shown.
We cannot see it, we can’t touch it. In the case of electromagnetic devices it is not always there. Yet one can observe its effects being inline with a given theory.
So is it believed in?

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of course, it can be seen.
I think you are neglecting the fact we have technology.
When saying "shown" it includes technology.
We cannot really see atoms, but we can measure them.
We cannot see gravity, but we can measure it.
Yes... we can actually see our brains! we know for a fact we have them

When saying seeing it actually means:

Measure (including the use of tools/devices),
Observe (the thing itself or measurements of it),
Present (to others other than yourself),
Repeat (one time doesn't count.. it must be shown and measured again and again).

If one of these fails, yep... it's not considered scientific evidence

ChristineM said:

I said what I don't believe in, if you can provide falsifiable evidence to show a god or gods exist, feel free to enlighten us.

And don't tell me what i mean,

And i suggest you also read the RF mission statement, you may find it an education

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So now I need educating now... Thank you for your thoughtful input into my educational status. I guess people care in different ways, but sadly, they can't always express that care in a positive manner.

You want me to provide "falsifiable evidence?" Didn't you mean, 'un-falsifiable evidence?' I'll presume meant un-falsifiable evidence. That little 'un-' makes all the difference. There's oodles of falsifiable stuff around, not least from the scientific community - Missing Links everywhere, but oops, it was falsifiable. I'll stop there, since there's lists and lists of falsified stuff from the scientific community, so called. And yet, perhaps you're offering money for un-falsifiable evidence. I can guess the price of such evidence, and my guess is that it would be huge. But who'd pay? Would you? I doubt it. And, if I provided you with said evidence, would you believe your eyes, or your heart, or your mind - if you even knew the nature of your mind, or your heart and eyes. You do not know, and the sciences do not know, but currently it's all guesswork; jab it, poke it, cut it.

And where to start with evidence, when even basic ghosts, as yet, are considered magic woo, or similar. And why should I anyway? Besides possible cash, are you offering me a trophy? I mean, do you know that deeply religious people like myself have little or no interest in possessions, so unlike yourself, perhaps - tempting me with anything you have to offer is pointless, even if I have oodles of evidence. Evidence that you seem to crave, or not. But, maybe I have it all wrong and you did mean you want 'falsifiable evidence.'

Shadow Wolf said:

Hogwash. Magnetism is perfect visible and demonstrable to exist.
We can't see it with our naked eye, of course, but ...

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So, if magnetism can be believed through its effect, can God also be believed though His effect?

According to the Bible, God is love, and that love comes visible in actions of those who are God's people.

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8