Last Days (End Times?)

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

Balthazzar said:
I can't disagree with the sentiments other than viewing the timeline being soon. It's both now and in a far away future. Change happens too slowly for this to take place soon, and we all know this world is still very troubled and hostile between many tribes.

Yes, 'change happens slowly....' and that is all the more reason for the surprise !
I think of the trouble religion has caused even with terrorism connected with religious beliefs.
Surely the United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world.
With backing the U.N. can be strengthened to surprisingly go up against the religious world.
In past Bible history God used the political/military to be His arm of the law to carry out His wishes.
( One Example: The Roman armies in the year 70 used to go up against un-faithful Jerusalem )
Thus, the pattern is set for our day or time frame because 'the gospel' is spread on an international scale today.
We are forewarned so that we can be forearmed when we hear the saying, " Peace and Security..." we would Not be caught off guard and think things could look rosy because that saying is just leading mankind down that primrose path.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

CG Didymus said:
Seems to me like a strange thing to say. How did he know exactly when and if Adam existed?

Bible chronology places Adam back to 6,000 some years ago.

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

Balthazzar said:
...................This millennia representing the last day of a hostile earth in relation to Jesus' life and date of death.

I think we need to keep in mind what Jesus taught at Matthew 24:36 that No one knows the day or hour.....
and Mark 13:32; Matthew 24:42-44 Jesus will come when Not expected....
A generation is Not a thousand years long (Matthew 24:34) so Not a millennia-long time frame.

A thousand years is as a day in God's eyes, so the past 2,000 years are as 2 days in God's view.
- Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8

Balthazzar · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
Yes, 'change happens slowly....' and that is all the more reason for the surprise !
I think of the trouble religion has caused even with terrorism connected with religious beliefs.
Surely the United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world.
With backing the U.N. can be strengthened to surprisingly go up against the religious world.
In past Bible history God used the political/military to be His arm of the law to carry out His wishes.
( One Example: The Roman armies in the year 70 used to go up against un-faithful Jerusalem )
Thus, the pattern is set for our day or time frame because 'the gospel' is spread on an international scale today.
We are forewarned so that we can be forearmed when we hear the saying, " Peace and Security..." we would Not be caught off guard and think things could look rosy because that saying is just leading mankind down that primrose path.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3

Religion represents the majority across the globe. The secular minority, although not religious, is no less hostile. Peace and security? I value both, yet neither comes without a price. Swords into plowshares? Peace treaties, co-operation, and being less hostile towards those of differing cultures and social structures seem to be valued by most also. These "plowshares" of co-operation instituted globally between nations set the stage for civilization, yet also become stumbling blocks for those not in agreement with the structures in play, which then become the fuel for conflict. It's a complicated and complex balancing act - not just between religions, but also between the non-religious and all who might disagree with the paradigms being honored.

The gospel? What's the good news? Life is hell and we get to die one day and find that eternal peace and security, or is it something else? Making peace with our world and those we share it with seems a better option, but who's looking at today as being our paradise, in our hands, for us and for our children?

Balthazzar · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
I think we need to keep in mind what Jesus taught at Matthew 24:36 that No one knows the day or hour.....
and Mark 13:32; Matthew 24:42-44 Jesus will come when Not expected....
A generation is Not a thousand years long (Matthew 24:34) so Not a millennia-long time frame.

A thousand years is as a day in God's eyes, so the past 2,000 years are as 2 days in God's view.
- Psalms 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8

That's my point exactly.

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

Balthazzar said:
Religion represents the majority across the globe. The secular minority, although not religious, is no less hostile. Peace and security? I value both, yet neither comes without a price. Swords into plowshares?..........
The gospel? What's the good news? Life is hell and we get to die one day and find that eternal peace and security, or is it something else? Making peace with our world and those we share it with seems a better option, but who's looking at today as being our paradise, in our hands, for us and for our children?

What is the gospel good news but what we read at Daniel 2:44-45.
That political statue shows the rise and fall of world powers since Babylon being the head of gold.
The feet mixed of iron (political) and clay (humanity) is showing the stable can not be mixed with the un-stable.
In other words, iron and clay don't mix together, hold together.
Jesus is that figurative ' stone ' that surprisingly brings an end striking that stature.
In other words, the statue does Not collapse on its own.
People who now follow Jesus have already beaten their swords into plowshares - Micah 4:3-4; Isaiah 2:4.
Genuine 'wheat' Christians are already at peace living by Jesus' New commandment - John 13:34-35.
The wicked will be done away with by the executional words from Jesus' mouth - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
The dead can find genuine peace and security 'after' they are resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
In other words, the majority of people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection.
A resurrection on Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
Jesus' thousand-year reign is not paradise today, but the coming millennial paradise on Earth.
Isaiah 35th chapter is about living people on Earth.
Resurrected people and the figurative 'sheep' alive on Earth at Jesus' coming Glory Time of Matthew 25:31-34,37

Balthazzar · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
What is the gospel good news but what we read at Daniel 2:44-45.
That political statue shows the rise and fall of world powers since Babylon being the head of gold.
The feet mixed of iron (political) and clay (humanity) is showing the stable can not be mixed with the un-stable.
In other words, iron and clay don't mix together, hold together.
Jesus is that figurative ' stone ' that surprisingly brings an end striking that stature.
In other words, the statue does Not collapse on its own.
People who now follow Jesus have already beaten their swords into plowshares - Micah 4:3-4; Isaiah 2:4.
Genuine 'wheat' Christians are already at peace living by Jesus' New commandment - John 13:34-35.
The wicked will be done away with by the executional words from Jesus' mouth - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15
The dead can find genuine peace and security 'after' they are resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
In other words, the majority of people will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection.
A resurrection on Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
Jesus' thousand-year reign is not paradise today, but the coming millennial paradise on Earth.
Isaiah 35th chapter is about living people on Earth.
Resurrected people and the figurative 'sheep' alive on Earth at Jesus' coming Glory Time of Matthew 25:31-34,37

So, this world is both a paradise and a place of torment? I will agree. The tormentors and the tormented - the refiners and those being refined. Clay to stone - political structures, which you deemed to be iron unstable, much like clay in process. Both can and are in process - people and politics.

ElishaElijah · Jul 9, 2022

F1fan said:
Well that didn't work out well given he's looking at indictments for numerous counts of fraud and conspiracy against the state of Georgia and the United States of America. Mean while Biden is doing his job without any corruption, and Hilary was found not guilty of any wrongdoing in the Benghazi incident, TWICE, and BY Republicans. So, you should feel shame and embarrassment for your poor choice. And let's note, he's not a Christian and pretended to be one, yet Christian extremists didn't care because they saw Trump as a means to attain their religious agenda, one of which was overturning Roe. So the right is rife with corruption and corrupt intent, and a serious lack of fairness and ethics. That will be their cross to bear.

That is right wing disinformation. Trump was thrown out because he mishandled the pandemic, and much of the fallout is what he caused. The USA and the world would be facing the same inflation and other woes had Trump been re-elected. The only different would be his continued corruption as president. Now he can't manipulate the law and his pewer to cover his accountability and guilt.

What does this mean? You already have this right. I'm guessing what you really mean is a you want a sort of theocracy.

Oh the irony.

We could look at the "end days" as the end of an effective democracy in the USA under right wing extremists as the GOP seems to be intent on doing. And they are exploiting Christians to get there.

You do know that overturning Roe v Wade gave the states the power to make the abortion laws for their states? That’s where the power for that should be.
If you’ve read anything about my views on who is or is not a Christian then you would understand that just because someone says they are a Christian doesn’t mean they are. Many who you agree with on RF are of the opinion that if someone says they are a Christian then they are, do you agree with them on this?
Not sure where you get your information but since Trump has been in office the made up charges have been all thrown out so far, like the Russia collision which Hillary and the Democrats set up. Biden and Hillary both corrupt and get away with it like the shady deals with Hunter.
You lose on all that thinking the Clinton’s and Biden’s aren’t corrupt just because they aren’t in jail yet.
But to stick with the subject…
Matthew 24 - Jesus tells the signs of the last days and sounds like you won’t be ready, you don’t even think He is coming back, so there’s that. People are blind and deceived just like in Noah’s day when the rain and flood waters came. That will be many people and some who are on here mocking and scoffing who are following the “false evidence”.

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

Clara Tea said:
Love thine enemies? Perhaps we each have a kingdom of heaven inside. Though, it is rather rough to see in some folks.

When on Earth Jesus did show by his words and actions that the law of the kingdom would be: the law of love.
And we know that kingdom law, that royal law comes from Heaven.- James 2:8
However, those hate-filled Pharisees in Jesus' day did Not have the kingdom of heaven, so to speak, inside of them.
Rather, it was Jesus' 'apostles' whom Jesus addressed according to Jesus at Luke 17:22-30; Luke 19:11-15.
Jesus pronounced many " woes " against those hate-filled Pharisees and gave his reasons why in Matthew chapter 23.

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

Balthazzar said:
So, this world is both a paradise and a place of torment? I will agree. The tormentors and the tormented - the refiners and those being refined. Clay to stone - political structures, which you deemed to be iron unstable, much like clay in process. Both can and are in process - people and politics.

...and Satan creates a diversion tactic by having people focus on people and Not on God's kingdom government.
Whereas, Jesus focused on God's Kingdom as the coming solution.- Daniel 2:44-45; Daniel 7:13-14
In other words, genuine Christians support Jesus as King ( Ruler )
No where do we find Jesus' name listed on any voting ballot, so genuine Christians refrain from choosing anyone else.

Balthazzar · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
When on Earth Jesus did show by his words and actions that the law of the kingdom would be: the law of love.
And we know that kingdom law, that royal law comes from Heaven.- James 2:8
However, those hate-filled Pharisees in Jesus' day did Not have the kingdom of heaven, so to speak, inside of them.
Rather, it was Jesus' 'apostles' whom Jesus addressed according to Jesus at Luke 17:22-30; Luke 19:11-15.
Jesus pronounced many " woes " against those hate-filled Pharisees and gave his reasons why in Matthew chapter 23.

Love comes in many forms, both gentle and in wrath. Anger a reaction to a perceived no love event or action. Discipline, that's a term for the record books, stifles rage and wrath, yet will not neglect consequence and disciplinary action in relation to wrongs committed. It's a difficult thing to love so deeply that rage comes to surface. Discipline, discipleship, sober minded and skilled workers are needed in this world. The politics of consequence vary, but a need to temper seems to be unending.

Balthazzar · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
...and Satan creates a diversion tactic by having people focus on people and Not on God's kingdom government.
Whereas, Jesus focused on God's Kingdom as the coming solution.- Daniel 2:44-45; Daniel 7:13-14
In other words, genuine Christians support Jesus as King ( Ruler )
No where do we find Jesus' name listed on any voting ballot, so genuine Christians refrain from choosing anyone else.

The character personified in Jesus as the light being made flesh is relevant, and the name "Jesus" is synonymous with that character. Every eye will see him, yet we are to never be so blind to except any one as being Him again personified. It's his character and way that we honor.

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

idea said:
The future is as bright as we make it, heaven can be found in the present . To me, there is no greater joy than satisfaction from one own's work, our own creation. As a parent, I want my own children to create - overcome - feel their own strength . Humans like climbing mountains, like solving problems on their own, like inventing. Any loving Parent would encourage children to find their own strength, create their own paradise

.... and how does one create paradise for the whole Earth ______
How does one create the healthy earthly conditions for everyone on Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.
In biblical paradise there is No sickness and No death on Earth so how does one create that _________
How in one's own paradise does one bring about paradisical conditions for everyone _________
How bright is one's personal future for those in Ukraine today _________
How bright would one's personal future be who just witnessed their family die _________

ElishaElijah · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
...and Satan creates a diversion tactic by having people focus on people and Not on God's kingdom government.
Whereas, Jesus focused on God's Kingdom as the coming solution.- Daniel 2:44-45; Daniel 7:13-14
In other words, genuine Christians support Jesus as King ( Ruler )
No where do we find Jesus' name listed on any voting ballot, so genuine Christians refrain from choosing anyone else.

So true! Listen to this testimony on how Satan works to keep people in the dark.

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

Balthazzar said:
Love comes in many forms,....... The politics of consequence vary, but a need to temper seems to be unending.

I find 'the form that 'Christ-like love' comes in' is described at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6 besides John 13:34-35.
Yes, in this system the need to politically temper is unending.
This need is a reason why we are all invited to pray to God asking for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20
Come and bring 'healing' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2 - and he will.
Healing to the point that even 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26

URAVIP2ME · Jul 9, 2022

ElishaElijah said:
So true! Listen to this testimony on how Satan works to keep people in the dark...........

Keeps people in the dark at Revelation 12:7-9 Revelation 12:12

Balthazzar · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
I find 'the form that 'Christ-like love' comes in' is described at 1 Corinthians 13:4-6 besides John 13:34-35.
Yes, in this system the need to politically temper is unending.
This need is a reason why we are all invited to pray to God asking for Jesus to come ! - Rev. 22:20
Come and bring 'healing' to earth's nations - Revelation 22:2 - and he will.
Healing to the point that even 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26

Patience, kindness, gentleness are part of the tempering results, love, joy, and peace the products of being of a similar mind as communities, and all listed as fruits of the Spirit. Being true and remaining true to this helps the process of "healing" I would think. It gets difficult in practice, given the resistance we face, but even the resistance works for our benefit. If you've ever submitted a story, poem, article, etc. for critique, you know those critiquing can be brutal, but likewise beneficial. Becoming better disciplined and aware of both self and the intentions and/or lack of validity of some critiques is part of the development process as adults. Some people are contrary for sake of being contrary. Others seem contrary by pointing out obvious deficiencies in quality. Offenses come by way of self-pride based on a sense or lack of achievement, and others by way of nasty demeanor by others. Self-discipline comes down to understanding the need to be disciplined if only to help us remain in the Spirit, bearing the fruits of in the inner man as part of our healing and to help shield us from being wounded by offense. It's difficult.

CG Didymus · Jul 9, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
Bible chronology places Adam back to 6,000 some years ago.

Yes, but Baha'is don't take the Bible as literally true and historically accurate, so it's strange that they could then flip it around and take the dating as accurate to fulfill some prophecy that there would to 6000 years to the year 1844. Which is when their first prophet/ Messiah/manifestation came, the Bab. Yet supposedly no knew the time when the Christ would return.

CG Didymus · Jul 9, 2022

InvestigateTruth said:
In my view he was inspired by God. God gifted knowledge.

Since he was not a "manifestation" of God, then does that make Shoghi Effendi a prophet? Since he was "gifted" with knowledge and "inspired" by God?

But what kind of knowledge was this? Baha'is, I thought, don't take the stories in Genesis as literally true, but there was a man named Adam that did what exactly 6000 years before 1844? He was created? He ate the forbidden fruit? And was this man Adam, in Baha'i beliefs a manifestation of God or not?

Riders · Jul 9, 2022

Balthazzar said:
If 1 day is like a 1000 years as the Bible states, and Jesus was crucified 2080 years ago, and sent to hell for 3 days, then is it plausible that this millennia represents the 3rd day of his death? Awaiting a return, and the kingdom being established through him at his return, do you think another 920 years might be an accurate estimate for this occurrence?

I was thinking another 720 years - but I was apparently off by a couple hundred. Could this be the "last day" in reference to his resurrection/return on earth?

Peace on earth and goodwill to come in the next 920 years? This seems reasonable, partly due to the motivation factor of necessity during trying times. Things are changing, for better or worse, the years and decades to come seem both challenging and maybe even hopeful.

These are the last days, but not when Jesus comes back. Mother earth is dying off.

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