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Article: I am an astrophysicist. I am also a Christian.

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I know such people and find their attitude fits with my basic conception of how the world works. A key point the article notes is humility which is needed both in scientific and religious realms.

I am an astrophysicist. I am also a Christian.
...You may well be surprised to hear “science” and “Christian” together. In today’s world, people who value science are concerned about the views of Christians, and Christians are increasingly skeptical of scientists. Aren’t White evangelical Christians the group with the lowest vaccination rates? The people most opposed to climate change? The ones who built a whole museum opposed to evolutionary biology? Sadly, this is all true. Even worse, anti-science views on COVID and climate are more than a difference of opinion; opposition is leading directly to increased illness, suffering, death, and harm to the planet. Yet I believe that the historical teachings of Christianity actually support science.
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The polarization seems much more driven by social media, as explained recently by Jonathan Haidt in The Atlantic. In our highly polarized world, “science” and “Christian” have landed on opposite sides.
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Even in today’s America, most Christians are not anti-science. A majority of White evangelicals did get the COVID vaccine, ... Some of the top scientific leaders in the development of the vaccine are devout Christians, including Francis Collins (then Director of NIH) and Kizzmekia Corbett (developer of Moderna’s COVID vaccine). Climate change leaders also include Christians, such as Rick Lindroth and Katharine Hayhoe.
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Humility. Science is not an armchair activity where one can simply think up ideas about the natural world and assume they are true. Instead, science requires the humility to continually correct one’s ideas through experiment and observation. This approach also fits with Christianity. God creates in ways that humans cannot predict or fully understand (Job 38), so we must continually check our ideas against what we observe in the natural world. Moreover, Christianity teaches that everyone is broken and has moral failings, and that the path to healing requires humble admission of one’s errors...
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Thank you. The science denying Christians are not in the majority. Though they act as if they are and make far more noise than their more ignorant brothers. In fact one would almost think that that is what Christians are supposed to believe.

And let's add one more Christian to the list, though it is endless. One of the stars of the Dover Trial, Kenneth Miller. He was one of the key witnesses in that trial...And he is not just a biologist. He is also a professor of biology that wrote one of the most popular college and high school texts on introductory biology.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The polarization seems much more driven by social media, as explained recently by Jonathan Haidt in The Atlantic. In our highly polarized world, “science” and “Christian” have landed on opposite sides.
It's been going on way before the rise of social media.
And really, I find it fascinating to discuss Christianity with people who aren't American. They don't typically have this dedication to being blind, ignorant and dumb like American Evangelicism has committed itself to since the Second and Third Revivals planted the seeds of some of the most outlandish ideas of American Evangelicism, such as a plain reading of the Bible, Biblical literalism and a strong assertment of YEC, needing only the Bible to get through Life and understand the Bible, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, even the idea of a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. And then it grew more out of hand after WWII, and the seeds began bearing fruit during the 80s when the Reps and Evangelicals formed their unholy alliance that is basically a form of Dominionism just without the name. They don't really much have this, just as they don't really have this silly idea of "evolution vs. Creationism." This "controversy" and conflict just doesn't exist because they aren't reading the Bible to be a 100% accurate and literal account of history. That's something American Prods do.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Thank you. The science denying Christians are not in the majority. Though they act as if they are and make far more noise than their more ignorant brothers. In fact one would almost think that that is what Christians are supposed to believe.

And let's add one more Christian to the list, though it is endless. One of the stars of the Dover Trial, Kenneth Miller. He was one of the key witnesses in that trial...And he is not just a biologist. He is also a professor of biology that wrote one of the most popular college and high school texts on introductory biology.
"The science denying Christians"

How does science deny christians being a god can neither be proven or disproven?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
"The science denying Christians"

How does science deny christians being a god can neither be proven or disproven?
You still need to work on your ability to read using context. By context there are Christians that deny science and those that do not. One accept astronomy and be a Christian. One can accept AGW and be a Christian. One can accept the fact of evolution and be a Christian. One does not have to deny science to be a Christian.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
You still need to work on your ability to read using context. By context there are Christians that deny science and those that do not. One accept astronomy and be a Christian. One can accept AGW and be a Christian. One can accept the fact of evolution and be a Christian. One does not have to deny science to be a Christian.

Deny those things or not... They are still christians right?
 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Deny those things or not... They are still christians right?
Are ayou not listeing again? Sometimes it seems that you have a mental block to simple ideas.

Yes, both science deniers and science accepters are Christians. Some of the science deniers actually claim that you have to be a science denier like them to be a Christian. That is not the case.

Think of it this way, this is good news for Christians. One can be a Christian and not deny reality.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Are ayou not listeing again? Sometimes it seems that you have a mental block to simple ideas.

Yes, both science deniers and science accepters are Christians. Some of the science deniers actually claim that you have to be a science denier like them to be a Christian. That is not the case.

Think of it this way, this is good news for Christians. One can be a Christian and not deny reality.

You win. Pick a prize from the participation box and have a good day :D
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
You win. Pick a prize from the participation box and have a good day :D

Don't get mad at me. I am not the one you should ber having problems with.

Some Christians have problems learning science because they have been misled to believe that the sciences disprove God. They don't. They only refute the parts of the Bible that cannot be read literally. This is not a change. For a long time biblical scholars could see that the Noah's Ark tale was not mean to be read literally. Learnign that there was no Noah, no Adam and Eve, no Moses, should not make one drop one's religion.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Don't get mad at me. I am not the one you should ber having problems with.

Some Christians have problems learning science because they have been misled to believe that the sciences disprove God. They don't. They only refute the parts of the Bible that cannot be read literally. This is not a change. For a long time biblical scholars could see that the Noah's Ark tale was not mean to be read literally. Learnign that there was no Noah, no Adam and Eve, no Moses, should not make one drop one's religion.

Again.... You win. Pick a prize from the participation box and have a good day :D
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I know such people and find their attitude fits with my basic conception of how the world works. A key point the article notes is humility which is needed both in scientific and religious realms.

I am an astrophysicist. I am also a Christian.
...You may well be surprised to hear “science” and “Christian” together. In today’s world, people who value science are concerned about the views of Christians, and Christians are increasingly skeptical of scientists. Aren’t White evangelical Christians the group with the lowest vaccination rates? The people most opposed to climate change? The ones who built a whole museum opposed to evolutionary biology? Sadly, this is all true. Even worse, anti-science views on COVID and climate are more than a difference of opinion; opposition is leading directly to increased illness, suffering, death, and harm to the planet. Yet I believe that the historical teachings of Christianity actually support science.
...
The polarization seems much more driven by social media, as explained recently by Jonathan Haidt in The Atlantic. In our highly polarized world, “science” and “Christian” have landed on opposite sides.
...
Even in today’s America, most Christians are not anti-science. A majority of White evangelicals did get the COVID vaccine, ... Some of the top scientific leaders in the development of the vaccine are devout Christians, including Francis Collins (then Director of NIH) and Kizzmekia Corbett (developer of Moderna’s COVID vaccine). Climate change leaders also include Christians, such as Rick Lindroth and Katharine Hayhoe.
...
Humility. Science is not an armchair activity where one can simply think up ideas about the natural world and assume they are true. Instead, science requires the humility to continually correct one’s ideas through experiment and observation. This approach also fits with Christianity. God creates in ways that humans cannot predict or fully understand (Job 38), so we must continually check our ideas against what we observe in the natural world. Moreover, Christianity teaches that everyone is broken and has moral failings, and that the path to healing requires humble admission of one’s errors...
I don't want to dis Christians acknowledging science and surely not those doing science but it takes some serious doublethink (a.k.a. compartmentalization) to believe in magic on the Christian side and the no-magic axiom on the science side.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I don't want to dis Christians acknowledging science and surely not those doing science but it takes some serious doublethink (a.k.a. compartmentalization) to believe in magic on the Christian side and the no-magic axiom on the science side.
Well, the guy who invented the MRI is a Creationist but I'm not complaining about that because the device works.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
...You may well be surprised to hear “science” and “Christian” together. In today’s world, people who value science are concerned about the views of Christians, and Christians are increasingly skeptical of scientists
To me, Science and Spirituality are 2 sides of the one coin
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I know such people and find their attitude fits with my basic conception of how the world works. A key point the article notes is humility which is needed both in scientific and religious realms.

I am an astrophysicist. I am also a Christian.
...You may well be surprised to hear “science” and “Christian” together. In today’s world, people who value science are concerned about the views of Christians, and Christians are increasingly skeptical of scientists. Aren’t White evangelical Christians the group with the lowest vaccination rates? The people most opposed to climate change? The ones who built a whole museum opposed to evolutionary biology? Sadly, this is all true. Even worse, anti-science views on COVID and climate are more than a difference of opinion; opposition is leading directly to increased illness, suffering, death, and harm to the planet. Yet I believe that the historical teachings of Christianity actually support science.
...
The polarization seems much more driven by social media, as explained recently by Jonathan Haidt in The Atlantic. In our highly polarized world, “science” and “Christian” have landed on opposite sides.
...
Even in today’s America, most Christians are not anti-science. A majority of White evangelicals did get the COVID vaccine, ... Some of the top scientific leaders in the development of the vaccine are devout Christians, including Francis Collins (then Director of NIH) and Kizzmekia Corbett (developer of Moderna’s COVID vaccine). Climate change leaders also include Christians, such as Rick Lindroth and Katharine Hayhoe.
...
Humility. Science is not an armchair activity where one can simply think up ideas about the natural world and assume they are true. Instead, science requires the humility to continually correct one’s ideas through experiment and observation. This approach also fits with Christianity. God creates in ways that humans cannot predict or fully understand (Job 38), so we must continually check our ideas against what we observe in the natural world. Moreover, Christianity teaches that everyone is broken and has moral failings, and that the path to healing requires humble admission of one’s errors...


I believe that less then 10%.of scientists are religious. That's still a lot of religious scientists. There is at least 1 on these very pages, given the number of scientists active on RF thats quite a high proportion.

Most of the science denying christians appear to be American, given that America accounts for just 5% of the world population, it cannot be a big number even if all Americans christians denied science and we know thats no so.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Well, the guy who invented the MRI is a Creationist but I'm not complaining about that because the device works.

Norman Borlaug the biologist who was responsible for the green resolution which has been estimated to have saved over a billion people from starvation was a Christian.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
I am an astrophysicist. I am also a Christian.
...You may well be surprised to hear “science” and “Christian” together. In today’s world, people who value science are concerned about the views of Christians, and Christians are increasingly skeptical of scientists.
Not at all surprising :)
Even the biblical story of creation (and many other world religions) has LIGHT = astrophysical E&M forces to create everything.
 
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