What God expects of us-alternate perspective

Peace be upon you sister,
Whatever makes your boat float. A few people I met disagree with on immense forgiveness aspect and justice aspect./problem with forgiving every creation.I actually had a debate with a pastor about this he is also of the view of justice.
To me wanting justice is evil and is often associated punishment of the misguided person(not evil-though as you have said they may be psychopaths). For me doing evil always was a temptation thing-which goes on line with this guy's an moron,he/she does not deserve to be forgiven etc etc-these thoughts are from the evil one-whereas the thoughts-poor guy who does not know what he is doing,he is just crying out for help-this identify with what the creator expects from us as in compassion.

Anyway as I have said you don't need to accept my views-but they are an alternate view on what God expects.

Peace be upon you
Peace
Amin/Amen

syo said:

Love again??? Why is it all people talk about love???

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Because it is the solution to all human suffering, and the single greatest healing power in the universe.

syo said:

Love again??? Why is it all people talk about love???

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I think love might be the most efficient positive motivator in most people, because humans evolved to be social creatures and platonic love can smooth over conflicts.

Fear, being the most ubiquitous and powerful negative motivator, is also reduced by love, causing those who are afraid to generally gravitate towards what they love or lean on their loved ones for support. Again, this is because we are social creatures, and we evolved to feel safer in groups because we were more safer in groups.

Therefore, I think it is unsurprising that so many people find meaning in love.

I think the question is more why so many people dismiss all other emotions that are not love, such as anger and disgust. I would postulate that it's because they have either been the victim of these emotions from others or because they themselves feel them to a lesser extent than most people.

This is a testable hypothesis, but outside of the scope of my posts here.

Mukhtar Farid said:

I am starting my journey today towards this sanctification, are you with me or not?In any case if you are not thats fine-the creator is cool with that .

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I will go through the list to answer your question about whether I am with you on this journey towards this sanctification.

Mukhtar Farid said:

1.Loving all of creation unconditionally

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I am incapable of this, because I do not feel love, as much as I have tried to in the past.

Mukhtar Farid said:

2.Forgiving every human or creation vices without expecting anything back

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This depends on what you mean by "forgive." I anticipate the behavior of others' based on their past actions. I try not to ascribe any value judgment or "blame" to any particular person, positive or negative.

Mukhtar Farid said:

3.Focus on love,compassion and mercy not justice

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I focus on none of these things, including justice.

Mukhtar Farid said:

4.Abstaining from all human vices whether it is pornography watching,eating unhealthy food,unethical adultery with self or others etc etc.

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I think "human vices" is too vague a term for me to know what you are referring to here. If you asked me to list what I thought were human vices, I would not have listed any of the things you mention here.

Where are you getting your list of vices from?

Mukhtar Farid said:

5.Repenting endlessly to the creator of all of creation for self and others

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I think this also needs more detail before I can tell whether I am on-board.

What am I repenting for? What do you mean by "endlessly?" If I did nothing but repent, without stopping, I think I would die of dehydration in a few days and, regardless, my death would eventually end my repenting, anyway.

How do I find the Creator of All of Creation? To my knowledge, there isn't one.

Mukhtar Farid said:

6.Being grateful to the creator for self and others

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I think, if there is a Creator, they would be tried for criminal negligence, because they are culpable for all of human suffering since they created both humans and suffering.

Some people have already tried to sue God for this, but he never showed up to court.

RestlessSoul said:

Because it is the solution to all human suffering, and the single greatest healing power in the universe.

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No, it's disgusting.

Mukhtar Farid said:

Peace be upon you members
First of all I am not perfect and am a sinner but I am here to let you know that through my pondering God revealed to me what matters.No I did not hear his voice or see a dream rather I pondered logically and am responding to his call
This world is filled with problems because the lack of love towards humans,animals,insects,mother earth.The heart of it is loving everything unconditionally which seems to be lacking nowadays.So God revealed through my ponderings that
we need to sanctify ourselves by
1.Loving all of creation unconditionally
2.Forgiving every human or creation vices without expecting anything back
3.Focus on love,compassion and mercy not justice
4.Abstaining from all human vices whether it is pornography watching,eating unhealthy food,unethical adultery with self or others etc etc.
5.Repenting endlessly to the creator of all of creation for self and others
6.Being grateful to the creator for self and others

I am starting my journey today towards this sanctification, are you with me or not?In any case if you are not thats fine-the creator is cool with that .

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Maybe I'm more carnal in my thinking, but i've never known a time where a paradox wasn't relevant. life/death, hot/cold, joy/sorrow, etc. I'm fairly certain that the entire universe operates under similar laws. As a whole, a circle, a completeness to life they are necessitated as dual extremes as one. Love is gentle, kind, nurturing, yet it is no less fierce in terms of preservation, whether applied to self or those loved. God is Love/God is wrath.

Balthazzar said:

Maybe I'm more carnal in my thinking, but i've never known a time where a paradox wasn't relevant. life/death, hot/cold, joy/sorrow, etc. I'm fairly certain that the entire universe operates under similar laws. As a whole, a circle, a completeness to life they are necessitated as dual extremes as one. Love is gentle, kind, nurturing, yet it is no less fierce in terms of preservation, whether applied to self or those loved. God is Love/God is wrath.

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There is a time for everything and a time for every work under heaven" (Ecclesiastes 3:1). When is the time for this work? Who decides? The one who is higher decides. Is it written in vain: "Behind the word of the king is power; no one will say to him: "What are you doing?" (Ecclesiastes 8:4).
And who is higher than the Creator?

Gezellig said:

There is a time for everything and a time for every work under heaven" (Ecclesiastes 3:1). When is the time for this work? Who decides? The one who is higher decides. Is it written in vain: "Behind the word of the king is power; no one will say to him: "What are you doing?" (Ecclesiastes 8:4).
And who is higher than the Creator?

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Ecclesiastes - the life under the sun preacher who taught everything to be vain under the sun, submitting to being filled with food, drink, and happiness as the best way of knowing life in this world. It certainly has an appeal not - not understood by most. On the same token, no matter how vain, we are often moved in such ways that appropriate other life realities -" A time for everything and every work under the sun." I find it difficult to disagree -

Mukhtar Farid said:

Peace be upon you members
First of all I am not perfect and am a sinner but I am here to let you know that through my pondering God revealed to me what matters.No I did not hear his voice or see a dream rather I pondered logically and am responding to his call
This world is filled with problems because the lack of love towards humans,animals,insects,mother earth.The heart of it is loving everything unconditionally which seems to be lacking nowadays.So God revealed through my ponderings that
we need to sanctify ourselves by
1.Loving all of creation unconditionally
2.Forgiving every human or creation vices without expecting anything back
3.Focus on love,compassion and mercy not justice
4.Abstaining from all human vices whether it is pornography watching,eating unhealthy food,unethical adultery with self or others etc etc.
5.Repenting endlessly to the creator of all of creation for self and others
6.Being grateful to the creator for self and others

I am starting my journey today towards this sanctification, are you with me or not?In any case if you are not thats fine-the creator is cool with that .

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So long as being loving/forgiving to one person does not result in being unloving to another. Tough love, it is not unloving to hold abusers accountable.

Peace of mind is seeing abusers as just mentally ill - just a sickness, that is all. Nothing to ruin your life over, but you do put them in jail so they cannot hurt others.

Also, not sure if there is language barrier? It sounds very prideful / condensing = disrespectful =unloving to present thoughts as "God told Me", or presenting yourself as speaking for God, presenting yourself as being better than everyone else. No one speaks for God. We are all just humans, each with equal authority in following our own conscience. Love respects others, love is humble, love listens.