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Shroud of Turin is from first AD.

Truth in love

Truth in love

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questfortruth said:
The Top Science has proven in 2022 AD that God does exist:


``New Peer Reviewed Date for the Shroud of Turin'' YouTube, De Caro L., Teresa Sibillano, Rocco Lassandro, Cinzia Giannini,
Giulio Fanti, ``X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud's Linen Sample'' Heritage 5(2), 860--870 (2022).

X-ray Dating of a Turin Shroud’s Linen Sample

Why to remain an atheist? There is 4-th law of Logic - "Sufficient Reasoning". The features of the S. of T. together with the discovery of its age make the God so much probable, that it is Sufficient to conclude, that God exists. Some Creationist can lie to save an atheist. But I have provided all facts: peer-reviewed paper, sufficient reasoning principle.

To my knowledge,
Friedrich Nietzsche defines Nihilism as rejecting an obvious truth, like 2+2=4.
It is Nihilism to reply ``there are no proofs'' without reporting mistakes.
Otherwise, it is crazy trolling and bullying, like in the case against Jesus:
``If I said something wrong, show what is wrong. But if I spoke the truth,
why did you strike Me?'' John 18:23.
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My question is what is the point?
Let’s say a ton of non believers 100% accept that Jesus was around in 30 AD or so died and was wrapped in a cloth that people kept it.
All that being true won’t cause them to accept Him as their Savior.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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Truth in love said:
My question is what is the point?
Let’s say a ton of non believers 100% accept that Jesus was around in 30 AD or so died and was wrapped in a cloth that people kept it.
All that being true won’t cause them to accept Him as their Savior.
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Oh no, Far less than 100% believe that. Many, if not most, biblical scholars doubt the story of the tomb.

Tell me was this a Roman crucifixion? According to the Gospels it was.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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questfortruth said:
It is impossible to reproduce the features on the S. of. Turin by any of the material means. Hence, Jesus Christ is God.
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Wrong in two ways. First that is a logical fallacy. Just because we could not reproduce it does not mean that "God did it".

And even worse it has been reproduced.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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questfortruth said:
Mods (my close friends) know.



No, you are wrong. World is largely a delusion.
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How can I know how I supposedly insulted you if you don't tell me. Just because leaders of a church have read the Bible does not make them scholars. A scholar has to be willing to understand the history of the Bible. Of the history of surrounding countries. Then one has to analyze the Bible critically and most important, publish. That allows other scholars to comment, criticize, correct, or even refute one's work. Most church leaders do not do that.

Shroud of Turin replicated by Italian scientist using ancient techniques may prove the relic a fake

And yes, the shroud has been duplicated. The Church even knew it was a fake when it was first donated to them
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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Subduction Zone said:
And yes, the shroud has been duplicated.
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No. The very first studies of S. of Turin have proven that it is not the paint. It is the unknown form of radiation that has produced the image.
Subduction Zone said:
Most church leaders do not do that.
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My people in the EOC Church are highly educated experts. And suggestion that they are crazy fools is the insult. And EOC has no leaders, the King of us is God.
 
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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questfortruth said:
No. The very first studies of S. of Turin have proven that it is not the paint. It is the unknown form of radiation that has produced the image.
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Where did you get that idea from? That was never claimed in any of the team's work.

My people in the EOC Church are highly educated experts. And suggestion that they are crazy fools is the insult. And EOC has no leaders, the King of us is God.
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You may believe that, but I really doubt it. And where did I say that they were crazy fools?. That appears to be your belief not mine since I did not say that. I only pointed out the obvious, that they are wrong.

Perhaps you really do believe that they are fools.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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ElishaElijah said:
You haven’t gone so you wouldn’t have a clue.
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Well that's what debate is for, for anyone making a claim or presenting an argument to accurately explain what they are claiming, and I'll bet my house, that as well as being unable to demonstrate any objective evidence for your claim, you can't offer an accurate explanation of what you claim is happening, since it's going at some point to end in yet another appeal to mystery. Of course you could disavow me of this, can you? I don't need to see a magic show to know magic isn't real.

Ephesians 2 says that everyone that isn’t saved is dead in trespasses and sins and walking according to the course of this world according to the prince and power of the air.
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Well it would say that wouldn't it, why would I care about bare claims, when no one can demonstrate any objective evidence they are true?

See you don’t even realize your own spiritual condition.
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Since again no one can offer any objective evidence that such a thing exists, only subjective anecdotes, like your claims about exorcisms, why would I worry myself about this claim, anymore than people who claim the earth is flat?
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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questfortruth said:
They do not want to be saved: "We do not want Education":

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You may be backing the wrong horse yourself, humans after all have imagined quite a few different deities, and even in Christianity there are 45k varyingly different sects and denominations. Your relentless bombast doesn't suggest you are remotely trying to making any objective assessment of your claims and beliefs. Your claims here show a remarkable lack of understanding about even the most basic methods of science as well. So why would any care what you thin, if you have such poor arguments?
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

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Truth in love said:
My question is what is the point?
Let’s say a ton of non believers 100% accept that Jesus was around in 30 AD or so died and was wrapped in a cloth that people kept it.
All that being true won’t cause them to accept Him as their Savior.
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If this new dating technique is accurate, and that is by no means a safe conclusion yet, since it conflicts with an established dating technique, then all we would know about the religious relic is when it dates from, and nothing more.
 
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