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Psalm 110: The most quoted psalm in the NT.

Left Coast

Left Coast

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Redemptionsong said:
To my understanding, Psalm 110 tells us that there is a mediator standing between God the Father and mankind. David represents the best of mankind, yet even he is shown to a sinner by comparison with the one who sits at the right hand of God in heaven.
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Cool. If you're sitting at the right hand of God... you're not God.
 
Left Coast

Left Coast

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Redemptionsong said:
A true mediator holds a position that is 'neither A nor B', or is 'equally A and B'. I believe the latter is true of Christ.
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This doesn't make sense, sorry. You can't be equally God and not God. That is like being equally a square and not a square. If you don't have all the necessary qualities of a square, you're not one. You might have some similarities, like a rectangle, but you're still not a square.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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" is to ignore the testimony of the Gospels and epistles in the NT."

Then ignore it please, the Gospels (as well as the epistles) in the NT:
  1. are not written by Jesus
  2. are not dictated by Jesus
  3. are not recorded by any specially/expressly authorized person by Jesus and checked by Jesus after the recording.

Redemptionsong said:
IMO, the stuff you have searched up on the internet is complete rubbish. IMO, anyone interested in truth needs to start by reading a good translation of the Bible for themselves. The internal integrity of scripture will quickly dispel these unfounded claims about the Bible.

Jesus did not write the words of scripture because he is [IMO, and according to the NT scriptures] the Spirit of prophecy, the Word of God. For the Word of God to be believed, there need to be human intermediaries recording God's works and commandments. In the Bible (unlike the Qur'an) there are numerous prophets, each providing the SAME CONSISTENT MESSAGE. Forty or more prophets are said to have written the words of scripture, and each book is quoted by other prophets. This makes the Bible a tapestry which, in the words of Jesus, 'cannot be broken'.

Another little thing worth noting is the evidence of the early Church. When the apostles were first preaching the 'good news' there was no need for the written Gospel. The evidence that Jesus had been resurrected from the dead came in the form of Holy Spirit baptism. All the early Christians expected to experience this baptism, and it was a promise from Jesus that they would. Hence, the Holy Spirit becomes evidence of the risen Lord, and a fulfilment of his promise to the Church. It is only as the work of the apostles comes to an end that the need for a complete scripture becomes apparent. I believe, and am happy to make the case, that many of these written records were in existence much earlier than some scholars think. For a start, the evidence points to the death of Paul in about 64 CE, and he already knew things that were recorded in the Gospels (such as events of the Last Supper - 1 Corinthians 11).

'But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.' [John 15:26,27]
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Kindly focus on the points colored in blue, please. Right?

Regards
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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Left Coast said:
This doesn't make sense, sorry. You can't be equally God and not God. That is like being equally a square and not a square. If you don't have all the necessary qualities of a square, you're not one. You might have some similarities, like a rectangle, but you're still not a square.
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It's not a case of being 'equally God and not God'. Everything resurrected is of God.
 
Left Coast

Left Coast

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Redemptionsong said:
It's not a case of being 'equally God and not God'. Everything resurrected is of God.
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Being "of God," ie created by God or godly or godlike, is not the same as being God. You keep dancing around this. The 'lord' figure in the passage isn't YHWH. It's a separate figure from YHWH.

I'm not going to continue going around and around with you.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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paarsurrey said:
" is to ignore the testimony of the Gospels and epistles in the NT."

Then ignore it please, the Gospels (as well as the epistles) in the NT:
  1. are not written by Jesus
  2. are not dictated by Jesus
  3. are not recorded by any specially/expressly authorized person by Jesus and checked by Jesus after the recording.



Kindly focus on the points colored in blue, please. Right?

Regards
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If a king came to visit your home, would you expect the king to write a newspaper report of the event? I would expect you, and the local news, to record the visit.

Is your report of the visit not to be trusted? What about the dozens of reporters who were present? Can their reports not be trusted either?

Of course, in the case of the NT, the report is checked by the Holy Spirit! It's the Holy Spirit that inspires the Church and brings the words of Jesus to mind.
 
rosends

rosends

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PruePhillip said:
But the Jews couldn't answer Jesus' question - THAT should be a concern.
Like the suffering person in Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53 - it isn't David and it isn't Israel because this suffering person will both die and reign over the nations.
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What question? One recorded in a self-serving text that Jews don't care about? Not a concern, thanks.

And if you want to get in to the Suffering Servant (which isn't David and isn't Jesus) you can find plenty of information to disabuse you elsewhere. Same for the subject of Ps 22.
 
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PruePhillip

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rosends said:
What question? One recorded in a self-serving text that Jews don't care about? Not a concern, thanks.

And if you want to get in to the Suffering Servant (which isn't David and isn't Jesus) you can find plenty of information to disabuse you elsewhere. Same for the subject of Ps 22.
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"self serving text" ??????
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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rosends said:
What question? One recorded in a self-serving text that Jews don't care about? Not a concern, thanks.

And if you want to get in to the Suffering Servant (which isn't David and isn't Jesus) you can find plenty of information to disabuse you elsewhere. Same for the subject of Ps 22.
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In your opinion the Suffering Servant is lsrael, as a people, but when one looks to the origin of the twelve tribes one finds an individual who is the patriarch and 'head'. So Jacob/lsrael is BOTH a head, or individual, and a body, or people. If lsrael following after Jacob is lsrael under law, then lsrael (the body) under Christ (the head) is lsrael in Spirit and truth.
 
rosends

rosends

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Redemptionsong said:
In your opinion the Suffering Servant is lsrael, as a people, but when one looks to the origin of the twelve tribes one finds an individual who is the patriarch and 'head'. So Jacob/lsrael is BOTH a head, or individual, and a body, or people. If lsrael following after Jacob is lsrael under law, then lsrael (the body) under Christ (the head) is lsrael in Spirit and truth.
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This is a lovely and completely imaginative extended interpretation
Good luck with that.
 
rosends

rosends

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PruePhillip said:
I can neither agree or disasgree until you explain what you mean by self-serving text.
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There are a few ways of quantifying that. Here arevtwo

The text was written knowing the earlier one so in an effort to establish its own veracity it crafts a story which intentionally invokes the earlier text and then insists on that veracity because the earlier texts have been invoked.

It writes a question and in an effort to show how unanswerable the question is it reports that the fictional vision of other people couldn't answer it.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Redemptionsong said:
If lsrael following after Jacob is lsrael under law, then lsrael (the body) under Christ (the head) is lsrael in Spirit and truth.
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:facepalm:

So, if dried fruit and nuts in grain is granola the preserved fruit and nuts on grain is a PB&J.

Got it ... don't particularly want it, but got it. thanks.​
 
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PruePhillip

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rosends said:
There are a few ways of quantifying that. Here arevtwo

The text was written knowing the earlier one so in an effort to establish its own veracity it crafts a story which intentionally invokes the earlier text and then insists on that veracity because the earlier texts have been invoked.

It writes a question and in an effort to show how unanswerable the question is it reports that the fictional vision of other people couldn't answer it.
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Sorry but you have lost me.
 
Redemptionsong

Redemptionsong

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rosends said:
This is a lovely and completely imaginative extended interpretation
Good luck with that.
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The challenge made by Jesus is as relevant today as it was two thousand years ago. He asked his Jewish audience, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?

What would your reply have been?
 
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