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Jesus, a Jewish "Hippie"?
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Who could have guessed that this thread would go off the rails? Wrong that is the opinion of some of his followers that is not what Jeaus taught
As he says Matt 5.17 "do not imagine that I have come to abolish the law...."
If anything His completion of the law is an effort in ending the lies of the oral Torah. Jesus in no way ends the law- to do so would be against the very teaching the Torah gives.
You mean the Oral Torah Jesus follows?
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
You don't have to guess... This is what he said his mission was:
"The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners,"
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Nope, as most that's mentioned in the Sermon deals with how we are to deal with others with our faith today, thus you are stripping the Gospel of some very important content.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
So well said, imo!
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You missed the point.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I think to a certain extent it was.
Wildswanderer
Veteran Member
No I think you did.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Make Love, Not War
For those who remember history of the 1960's-70's, the Vietnam "War" was huge with the hippie movement in general as the general belief was that we were simply wrong by going into it and then staying in it so long. Also, weapons like Agent Orange, napalm, blanket bombing in heavy civilian areas, etc, disgusted so many. Remember the picture of the young Vietnamese girl running naked down a dirt path crying her eyes out? That picture alone turned so many stomachs and the overall sentiment in favor of being there rapidly waned.
So, how could a self-proclaimed "Christian country" do this? We criticize Putin for what he is doing in the Ukraine but we ourselves did some terrible things as well. Were the hippies mostly right on this, I ask?
As far as the strong emphasis on Love is concerned, was that wrong? Trouble with the term by itself is it doesn't define which form of love is being referred to. As far as "free love" is concerned, I never brought into it as far as having sexual intercourse is concerned, but short of that I had no guilt. I didn't like "going steady", thus I "played the field". Most of the hippies I knew really weren't promiscuous, but the ones who did got a lot of attention by the press and the "religious right" especially. What do you think?
Anyhow, I'll stop here and will introduce another general hippie trait tomorrow.
For those who remember history of the 1960's-70's, the Vietnam "War" was huge with the hippie movement in general as the general belief was that we were simply wrong by going into it and then staying in it so long. Also, weapons like Agent Orange, napalm, blanket bombing in heavy civilian areas, etc, disgusted so many. Remember the picture of the young Vietnamese girl running naked down a dirt path crying her eyes out? That picture alone turned so many stomachs and the overall sentiment in favor of being there rapidly waned.
So, how could a self-proclaimed "Christian country" do this? We criticize Putin for what he is doing in the Ukraine but we ourselves did some terrible things as well. Were the hippies mostly right on this, I ask?
As far as the strong emphasis on Love is concerned, was that wrong? Trouble with the term by itself is it doesn't define which form of love is being referred to. As far as "free love" is concerned, I never brought into it as far as having sexual intercourse is concerned, but short of that I had no guilt. I didn't like "going steady", thus I "played the field". Most of the hippies I knew really weren't promiscuous, but the ones who did got a lot of attention by the press and the "religious right" especially. What do you think?
Anyhow, I'll stop here and will introduce another general hippie trait tomorrow.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Since I'm the one who initiated the topic and post, I very much know what I posted and why. It seems to me all you seemingly want to do is to nit-pick no matter what I may post. If I'm your hang-up, then maybe expand your interests.
They were right on Nam being unjust war, but it was carried too far, when those they blamed and tried to shame, and strip them of their dignity, was not the powers that be, but the men who carried out the mission given them.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I totally agree, and one of them was and is a very close friend of mine. The reality is that many, including he, got drafted thus didn't have much a choice.
As so many of them did. I remember John Kerry severely criticized because he told kids to make sure they continue on to college, otherwise.....
One very positive accomplishments of the 'hippies' was the end of the draft,
Give one example of jesus ever keeping an oral Torah teaching and not denouncing it as a tradition of the pharisees
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Love of God and neighbor is essentially the same as Hillel the Elder's commentary. The concept of heaven is from the Pharisee tradition as it is not found in Torah. Etc.
Never heard such nonsense.
Love you God and love your neighbour are Both Torah teaching as is love of the stranger. ***STAFF EDIT***
Deuteronomy 6:5: You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.
Wrong, while generally the scriptures speak of sheol there is reference to Heaven in the Psalms and Daniel describes heaven in his visions, Elijah rises on a tower of fire into heaven, in the book of Job the sons of God, in heaven speak with God. So no heaven is not an invention of the pharisees, it is very much referenced in scriptures repeatedly.
AMOS 9.6 "He builds his lofty palace in the heavens and sets its foundation on the earth"
Jesus actually speaks of 'the kingdom of heaven'(Whick is not the same thing as heaven where you.go.when you die) and actually denounces the Priests and Pharisees for preventing the people entering it.
Infact it appears from the scripture that the pharisees are completely unaware of the existence of kingdom of heaven. Ergo they not only didnt invent heaven, they are actually not even aware that the kingdom that is not of this earth, exists at all.
You can see this in the discussion Jesus has with nicodemus with regards to being born again.
John 3.10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
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I'd say Yeshua's teachings aligned with the Essenes, who were also like Hippies...
I believe when Yeshua said "be wary of the leaven of the Sadducees, and the Pharisees" (Matthew 16:6), this was in contrast to the Essene Bread, which was the method for making the Shewbread correctly.
The ingredients were the same as Ezekiel's Bread (Ezekiel 4:9), and then when sprouted, it produces ergot, which is why it was then boiled to kill the poisoning, before baking.
We can show that many ancient cultures knew about micro-dosing (Kykeon, Soma, Shewbread, etc) for increased intelligence; whereas alcohol was banned by many cultures for causing irrational thinking.
The Holy Anointing Oil in Exodus 30:23-25, I believe should contain Kaneh Bosem, which is where we get the etymology of cannabis.
Yeshua & the Disciples healed people with the Holy Anointing Oil (Mark 6:13), and the early Church healed with it (James 5:14).
Whereas the Shewbread, and Holy Anointing Oil were only appointed to the Priesthood; Yeshua like David distributed it among everyone...
Saying "that when we fast, anoint ourself; so that God might reward us" (Matthew 6:17).
I'd say the early Church Christ established were more like Hippies, using entheogens to directly connect with God, and to heal; having a commune where they all gave up wealth, and lived as part of a Oneness community.
In my opinion.