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Question: Could a U.S. State outlaw kissing.

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I am asking this question purely in the sense of legality and constitutionality. I am not asking if any state should, or would pass a law banning kissing. And I am not even asking if they could get enough votes to do it. Just from a legal constitutional perspective.

“It shall be illegal for any individual to press his or her lips against the lips of another individual or against any uncovered skin of an other individual”

Could such a law be passed? We have seen the Supreme Court declare laws banning abortion are constitutional, and Justice Thomas opining that “Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” are all case that should be re-examined.

So could a state take away the “right to kiss”?

I'd imagine if they determine kissing was the transference mechanism of some new pandemic.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What clause of the constitution would prohibit such a law?
The right to kiss would be an unenumerated right; an inferred right.

Per the recent Supreme Court decisions on gun carry rights and abortion, unenumerated rights are legitimate only when they're "deeply rooted in the nation's history and traditions" -- justice Samuel Alito. That is, unless they predate the 1868 14th amendment, upon whose principles most of our modern freedoms are based.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
If the Declaration of independence conflicts with the Constitution, I would surmise there is a huge horrible problem here.

Well, by that standard, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were pretty much in conflict for most of the US existence then for women and non-white people didn't have the right to liberty, life and the pursuit of happiness most of the country's history.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
As Stevicus pointed out, he law is whatever current public sentiment says it is. You want to criminalize criticism of the president, sequester Asians in ghettos, deny women &al the vote, enslave people, prohibit mixed marriages, criminalize dissent, imprison a demographic in concentration camps, outlaw homosexuality? No problem. We've done it before, we can do it again.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
I am asking this question purely in the sense of legality and constitutionality. I am not asking if any state should, or would pass a law banning kissing. And I am not even asking if they could get enough votes to do it. Just from a legal constitutional perspective.

“It shall be illegal for any individual to press his or her lips against the lips of another individual or against any uncovered skin of an other individual”

Could such a law be passed? We have seen the Supreme Court declare laws banning abortion are constitutional, and Justice Thomas opining that “Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” are all case that should be re-examined.

So could a state take away the “right to kiss”?
Why not, it's already outlawed for women to flutter their eyelashes in Texas.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
I am asking this question purely in the sense of legality and constitutionality. I am not asking if any state should, or would pass a law banning kissing. And I am not even asking if they could get enough votes to do it. Just from a legal constitutional perspective.

“It shall be illegal for any individual to press his or her lips against the lips of another individual or against any uncovered skin of an other individual”

Could such a law be passed? We have seen the Supreme Court declare laws banning abortion are constitutional, and Justice Thomas opining that “Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” are all case that should be re-examined.

So could a state take away the “right to kiss”?

In theory yes. A state in the US may make pretty much any law it wants except those that are prohibited to it by the Constitution.

That said few if any voters would tolerate such a thing. The will of the people is a powerful force to contend with.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Speaking of strange laws, if they outlaw kissing, then this could be next: a’s Minister of Health, has banned the use of doggy style during intimate sex (herald.ng)

Aaron Motsoaledi, who functions as South Africa’s Minister of Health, has banned the use of doggy style during intimate sex among sexual partners or couples.

According to a South African newspaper, Motsoaledi believes that doggy style is the leading cause of cancer and stroke in both men and women.

“The most energy consuming and stressful sexual position for men is doggy; Look, I’m only giving you guys a snippet but we will be posting the results of the full research on the ministry website.” He said.

However, Motsoaledi believes occasional doggy style sex especially on Christmas and on Valentine’s day may not be harmful, but each night maybe suicidal.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
I happen to hold the founding documents to be equally valid. Not just the Constitution by which all the documents are binded together under the Constitution.

I doubt you would consider the Articles of Confederation to be equally valid. The Declaration of Independence preceded the Articles. The current Constitution was written to fix many of the problems with those Articles.

And somehow I am guessing you do not hold the Federalist Papers to be equally valid, even though they are the primary explanation of the original intent of the writers. If you did, the existence of a party system, let alone a two party system, would be anathema.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am asking this question purely in the sense of legality and constitutionality. I am not asking if any state should, or would pass a law banning kissing. And I am not even asking if they could get enough votes to do it. Just from a legal constitutional perspective.

“It shall be illegal for any individual to press his or her lips against the lips of another individual or against any uncovered skin of an other individual”

Could such a law be passed? We have seen the Supreme Court declare laws banning abortion are constitutional, and Justice Thomas opining that “Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell” are all case that should be re-examined.

So could a state take away the “right to kiss”?
Let's say that SCOTUS continues its nascent trend
of over-turning non-enumerated rights when they
offend conservative Catholic values....
Kissing could possibly be made illegal by branding
it "sodomy". But it would occur in stages, with banning
it in cases of homosexuality, miscegenation, & out of
wedlock conduct.

They are a super-majority on the court, & may rule
by fiat if they unite. But even they aren't fully disconnected
from society. The more they impose their religion upon
the unwilling, the more social strife there will be. This
pressure would be a mitigating influence. So I don't
worry. But I do think a larger SCOTUS with the goal of
religious diversity is worth pursuing. It's time to eliminate
Judeo Christian domination.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
I'd imagine if they determine kissing was the transference mechanism of some new pandemic.
Actually the rules during the pandemic did effectively outlaw kissing anyone who doesn't live in your house. In some of the places where those laws were enforced that would be outlawing kissing, wouldn't it?
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Let's say that SCOTUS continues its nascent trend
of over-turning non-enumerated rights when they
offend conservative Catholic values....
Kissing could possibly be made illegal by branding
it "sodomy". But it would occur in stages, with banning
it in cases of homosexuality, miscegenation, & out of
wedlock conduct.

They are a super-majority on the court, & may rule
by fiat if they unite. But even they aren't fully disconnected
from society. The more they impose their religion upon
the unwilling, the more social strife there will be. This
pressure would be a mitigating influence. So I don't
worry. But I do think a larger SCOTUS with the goal of
religious diversity is worth pursuing. It's time to eliminate
Judeo Christian domination.


Has anyone else seen the film 'Cinema Paradiso'? The censorship of kissing is central to the film.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Actually the rules during the pandemic did effectively outlaw kissing anyone who doesn't live in your house. In some of the places where those laws were enforced that would be outlawing kissing, wouldn't it?
So all the fundies in office need do is expand the ban
from a public health reason to a moral reason, ie, sin.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Actually the rules during the pandemic did effectively outlaw kissing anyone who doesn't live in your house. In some of the places where those laws were enforced that would be outlawing kissing, wouldn't it?

No, the *rules* did not effectively outlaw kissing. The *recommendation* was to not given the possibility of transmitting the virus. Sort of like how there is a *recommendation* to use protection when having sex to prevent STD transmission.

The *laws* were about masking in public places. The *recommendations* were other things to reduce the risk of getting the disease.
 
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