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There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
@ElishaElijah What will you do if you get to Judgement and find that you have been worshipping the wrong God and are now damned to that God's version of hell?
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First off I don’t think anyone should be forced, coerced or scared into a relationship with God at all. The Bible says God draws people to Himself and the only way to please Him is by faith. Nevertheless, I will tell people the reality of the certain danger they are in. The reason I mentioned the judgement is because that’s when all this debating will be over until then it’s just talk. So you misunderstood my bringing up the judgement. Your answer said a lot though and poor Pascal:cool:. Wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
So I’m definitely not the least bit fearful of this life
or the next, I received the promise of the Holy Spirit and He is my guarantee of Eternal Life.
And you have what?
 
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Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
First off I don’t think anyone should be forced, coerced or scared into a relationship with God at all. The Bible saysGod draws people to Himself and the only way to please Him is by faith. Nevertheless, I will tell people the reality of the certain danger they are in. The reason I mentioned the judgement is because that’s when all this debating will be over until then it’s just talk. So you misunderstood my bringing up the judgement. Your answer said a lot though and poor Pascal:cool:. Wouldn’t wish that on anyone.
So I’m definitely not the least bit fearful of this life
or the next, I received the promise of the Holy Spirit and He is my guarantee of Eternal Life.
And you have what?
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Like I predicted. You failed. You could not even try to answer the question.
 
ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
;)
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And you still took it as coerced or scare tactics? Not at all, Jesus warned people and said count the cost and if you want to be His disciple you have give up your life and follow Him. This doesn’t sound like coercion. Make a decision and live with your choice.
 
Sheldon

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ElishaElijah said:
And you still took it as coerced or scare tactics? Not at all, Jesus warned people and said count the cost and if you want to be His disciple you have give up your life and follow Him. This doesn’t sound like coercion. Make a decision and live with your choice.
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When you claim a prayer has been answered by a no from an extant deity, can you offer an objective explanation of how this is different to no deity existing to answer the prayer?
 
Sheldon

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ElishaElijah said:
I’ll answer the question, you describe the Heaven and Hell you’re talking about. And answer my questions which you avoid. What do you have?
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When you claim a prayer has been answered by a no from an extant deity, can you offer an objective explanation of how this is different to no deity existing to answer the prayer?
 
Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
I’ll answer the question, you describe the Heaven and Hell you’re talking about. And answer my questions which you avoid. What do you have?
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That is not the question. You were unable to answer it. You best drop your bogus question from youur repertoire.

Quack! Quack, quack, quack. Oh . . . what a cute duck.
 
ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
When you claim a prayer has been answered by a no
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Did you not understand that God says yes to
A lot of prayers and requests? Yet the point is that even no is an answered prayer. I’m glad He didn’t give me everything I asked for, but when I waited I received something better instead.
 
ElishaElijah

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Subduction Zone said:
That is not the question. You were unable to answer it. You best drop your bogus question from youur repertoire.

Quack! Quack, quack, quack. Oh . . . what a cute duck.
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I did answer the question about the supposed scare tactics you assumed, which was not correct,
Nevertheless explain your Heaven and Hell how to get there and will answer your hypothetical question ?
 
ElishaElijah

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Dude! You used the same scare tactic based upon a false God.

You failed.
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Did you take the warning as a scare tactic and not understand the explanation ? #3981
So now the hand waving, misrepresenting and running away, You said it but have no explanation of your hypothetical. Epic fail
Explain your scenario for the question you asked, very vague.
Is this life right here on Earth the best you have to hope for ? Is this as good as it gets for you?
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

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ElishaElijah said:
Did you take the warning as a scare tactic and not understand the explanation ? #3981
So now the hand waving, misrepresenting and running away, You said it but have no explanation of your hypothetical. Epic fail
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Oh my Flying Spaghetti Monster! You ran away. You have been the one waving his hands. Talk about record breaking projection.
 
Sgt. Pepper

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Or else....
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According to the Bible, a Christian can be stripped of their salvation even after they've accepted Jesus and received forgiveness for their sins against God. It's written in the Bible that Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 7:21). It's also written in the Bible that Jesus also warned of this possibility in his parable of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31–46). On the contrary, in some verses in the Bible, it's implied that salvation is a free gift given by God and it can't be earned by good works. For example, Romans 10:9–13 states that if someone declares with their mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believes in their heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, they will be saved. This passage states that whoever calls on Jesus' name will be saved. Furthermore, Ephesians 2:8–9 states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast."

But in Jesus' parable of the sheep and the goats, it's clear that he rewarded the "sheep" with eternal life for their good works: feeding the hungry, giving water to people who are thirsty, inviting in a stranger, clothing the needy, visiting the sick or people in prison. And the "goats" were lambasted by Jesus for not feeding the hungry, giving water to people who are thirsty, inviting in strangers, clothing the needy, and not visiting the sick or people in prison. In fact, he cursed them and sent them to eternal damnation. They were very shocked when Jesus accused them, and they asked him when they did not do these things. He replied, "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." It's obvious that the "goats" lacked the good works to be rewarded with eternal life, in spite of the fact that they had accepted Jesus as their lord and savior and were Christians. I think it's clear to see that Jesus' warning and his parable contradict Romans 10:9–13 and Ephesians 2:8–9, which state that salvation is a free gift from God and it isn't earned by good works. Honestly, it sounds like one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" kinds of things.
 
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