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I would say this is closest to the truth from my perspective. Nice input.fragmentsofdreams said:Part of it was to give us an example to emulate. Christ was put through torment and was still able to forgive those who caused his suffering His death would be necessary to reveal the Resurrection
Why is that so?chuck010342 said:Because there can be no forgiveness of Sin without the shedding of blood
oracle said:Why is that?
So why does Christ's death substitute the punishment of all our sins? And please do not say because God said so.chuck010342 said:so Instead of God punishing us something is substituted.
Please tell me where and when he said this..chuck010342 said:Two reasons
1. because God said so
So like bad karma you mean?chuck010342 said:2. God loves us even thou we disobey him (sin is disobeying God) so Instead of God punishing us something is substituted.
So if you want to forgive someone, you have to kill someone?chuck010342 said:Because there can be no forgiveness of Sin without the shedding of blood
Such a view might explain why, for example, a cult might eventualy redact the political execution of their cult leader in messianic terms.In the Halakhic context, the death penalty achieves atonement of sin, leading to the resurrection at the end of days. It is an act of mercy, atoning for the sin that otherwise traps the sinner/criminal in death. In the context of the Gospel narrative, with its stress on repentance at the end and atonement on the cross by a single unique man, representative of all of humanity, for the sins of all humanity, we deal with no juridical transaction at all. It is an eschatological realization of the resurrection of humanity through that of Jesus Christ on Easter Sunday. Read in light of Mishnah-tractate Sanhedrin and its Halakhic theology with its climax, "All Israel has a portion in the world to come," the passion narrative coheres, each component in its right proportion and position, all details fitting together.
The Mishnah interprets the death penalty as a medium of atonement in preparation for judgment leading to resurrection, just as the theology of the passion narratives has always maintained. For both the Mishnah and the Gospels, the death penalty is a means to an end. It does not mark the end but the beginning. The trial and crucifixion of Christ for Christianity, like the trial and execution of the Israelite criminal or sinner for Judaism, form necessary steps toward the redemption of humanity from death, as both religions have maintained, each in its own idiom.
- see A Judaic Reading of the Passion Narratives
In Judaism before the destruction of the Second Temple, asking forgiveness from God involved sacrificing an animal.retrorich said:So if you want to forgive someone, you have to kill someone?
Because of Adam and Eve's sin, every human since is born with a sinful nature. Throughout the OT sacrifices were offered to God, but the sacrifice had to be pure and unblemished.oracle said:I just want to see if anyone, and who if anyone, can come up with a logical answer. Why does Jesus's death on the cross atone for my sin, and the sin of every human being? It's not to debate anything, i just want to see people's knowledge of the subject.
Because the point wasn't to give you a "get out of jail free" card, the point was to allow people to be saved from Hell despite being flawed. You can't be a Christian just so you can do whatever you want without having to worry about consequences. That's really not the point.oracle said:So If Jesus's death cleanses all sin, why are we still being judged by God for our sins in the book of Revelations? If cleansing means to take away, why are we still held accountable for our sins at the end of time?
Or why does Paul emphasize that people should not sin if Christ's death washes it all away?
Why does Jesus repeatingly say "sin no more"?