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Canada: Banning Handgun Buying & Selling

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Wisdom? No. It's anxiety.

WWJD, you might ask as a Christian?

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.​

Now, you would think you'd call the above "wisdom". It seems to be in quite the stark contrast with what you think is wisdom.


Read the above passage, and you answer that for yourself.
Go to the ant, you sluggard;
consider its ways and be wise!
7 It has no commander,
no overseer or ruler,
8 yet it stores its provisions in summer
and gathers its food at harvest.

9 How long will you lie there, you sluggard?
When will you get up from your sleep?
10 A little sleep, a little slumber,
a little folding of the hands to rest—
11 and poverty will come on you like a thief
and scarcity like an armed man.

Proverbs 6:6-11

The verse you quote are about God's provision, it's not telling us to abandon wisdom and just be lazy.
Here's what Billy Graham had to say about that passage:
"In fact, the Bible urges us to be careful in planning our lives and to save for the future. It says, “A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps” (Proverbs 14:15).

Perhaps you are thinking of Jesus’ words in the Sermon on the Mount: “Take therefore no thought for the morrow” (Matthew 6:34, KJV). But that is an older translation, and over the years our English language has changed; the phrase “take no thought” no longer means what it once did. Most modern translations of the Bible put it like this: “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow” (NIV).

In other words, Jesus wasn’t telling us not to plan ahead. Instead, He was telling us not to worry about the things of this life and become preoccupied with them. We are to put Christ first instead of things and learn to trust God for our daily needs."

10. Psalm 144:1 “Praise the Lord, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.”

11. Psalm 18:34 “He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.”
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
What else am I supposed to take for your ridiculous claims that I should let people kill me and my family instead of using a gun to protect us?
According to the numerous studies, if you keep a loaded gun in your house, your possession of such is a greater threat to you and your own family than not having one. The sole exception is if one lives in a remote area whereas police protection is too distant.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
According to the numerous studies, if you keep a loaded gun in your house, your possession of such is a greater threat to you and your own family than not having one. The sole exception is if one lives in a remote area whereas police protection is too distant.
I do live in a rural area and did they really factor in all the times a gun saves people without ever having to be fired? No, because that's not usually even reported.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The verse you quote are about God's provision, it's not telling us to abandon wisdom and just be lazy.
Two things. First, I don't think you understand what wisdom is. "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." Proverbs 30:12. Wisdom recognizes that the path of violence is the path of death. Jesus taught this. "He that lives by the sword, shall die by the sword".

Secondly, what does the path of nonviolence have to do with being lazy? That's irrational.

Here's what Billy Graham had to say about that passage:
"In fact, the Bible urges us to be careful in planning our lives and to save for the future. It says, “A simple man believes anything, but a prudent man gives thought to his steps” (Proverbs 14:15).
Being prudent, does not mean being paranoid and loading up shotguns and stocking up on ammo "Just in case" some bad guy comes by so you can blow a hole through his chest. It isn't actually being prudent. It's being paranoid, and anxious. That is why I quoted what I did. To address your anxiety.

Perhaps you are thinking of Jesus’ words in the Sermon on the Mount: “Take therefore no thought for the morrow” (Matthew 6:34, KJV). But that is an older translation, and over the years our English language has changed; the phrase “take no thought” no longer means what it once did. Most modern translations of the Bible put it like this: “Therefore do not worry about tomorrow” (NIV).
I'd say stocking up an arsenal in your house, "just in case", is the definition of worrying about tomorrow. My point is, having that around is a constant reminder of possibly fear and threat to you. It's based upon worry. It's the illusion of peace. It's the illusion of power and control. It's not the path to peace.

So translate that how you wish, the meaning is the same and directly pertains.

10. Psalm 144:1 “Praise the Lord, who is my rock. He trains my hands for war and gives my fingers skill for battle.”
"For we wrestle [or wage war] not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers..." The battles we fight are not shooting people in the head. It's about a spiritual warfare within ourselves. These are metaphors, not a call to arms to kill others.

11. Psalm 18:34 “He trains my hands for battle; he strengthens my arm to draw a bronze bow.”
These are metaphors for spiritual warfare in ourselves. You doubt this?

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

~Eph. 6:10-18
Does your Bible say, "And gets some assault rifles too, "just in case"?
 
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Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
I'd say stocking up an arsenal in your house, "just in case", is the definition of worrying about tomorrow. My point is, having that around is a constant reminder of possibly fear and threat to you. It's based upon worry. It's the illusion of peace. It's the illusion of power and control. It's not the path to peace.
Speak for yourself. Having guns around doesn't remind me of anything. It's just normal and always has been. They are tools, just like a shovel or an axe. Do I have a chainsaw because I live in fear of being cold? No, I have it to cut wood to heat my house. I have guns to provide me with meat and to keep my family safe. Common sense.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Speak for yourself. Having guns around doesn't remind me of anything. It's just normal and always has been. They are tools, just like a shovel or an axe. Do I have a chainsaw because I live in fear of being cold? No, I have it to cut wood to heat my house. I have guns to provide me with meat and to keep my family safe. Common sense.
If you are using guns to hunt with for food reasons, I have no issue with that anymore than I do you owning a fishing pole to go catch your dinner (I don't care for killing life for fun and sport). But your argument was that owning a gun gives you peace. And you further irrationally decried those that don't have them as irresponsible and lazy, because they aren't thinking about that fearful possibility of home invasions, or something to that effect.

All that is in essence saying, "In Gun I trust". I do not find any of that consistent with the teachings Jesus and the basis for peace as he taught it. If you feel you need to own firearms to shoot bad guys with, again, that is not exactly a worry-free existence.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Speak for yourself. Having guns around doesn't remind me of anything. It's just normal and always has been. They are tools, just like a shovel or an axe. Do I have a chainsaw because I live in fear of being cold? No, I have it to cut wood to heat my house. I have guns to provide me with meat and to keep my family safe. Common sense.
You say they're just tools, but I generally don't see people freak out at the idea of not having their favourite shovel, or building their whole identity around their chainsaw, or freaking out when someone tells them to put their axe away in public.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
You say they're just tools, but I generally don't see people freak out at the idea of not having their favourite shovel, or building their whole identity around their chainsaw, or freaking out when someone tells them to put their axe away in public.
Who builds thier whole identity around a gun? You are reaching. Some people like model cars and some like chainsaws and some like guns... nothing wrong with any of them.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Who builds thier whole identity around a gun? You are reaching. Some people like model cars and some like chainsaws and some like guns... nothing wrong with any of them.
Some people do. Some people build their identity around their car. People who are obsessed with cars are tiresome. People who are obsessed with guns are dangerous.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
But the purpose of a car is not to kill people. Let’s be honest, most guns are designed, sold and bought with one single purpose, killing human beings.
Not in this country...way more are sold for sporting purposes, I bet... and even if you buy it for defense it's not there to kill people, it's there to protect what you value.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Not in this country...way more are sold for sporting purposes, I bet... and even if you buy it for defense it's not there to kill people, it's there to protect what you value.
…”to protect what you value” by killing human beings.

There is no getting around that. You may believe it is good and necessary to kill human beings under some circumstances, but you can’t argue that guns are not intended for that purpose. It is what they are designed to do, it is how they are marketed, and it is why people buy them.

A few years ago I bought my sister a bread maker. She wanted one. She used it about three or four times and now it takes up space in a closet. But my point is that it is a bread maker. It was designed to make bread, it was marketed for making bread.

We are not going to get anywhere unless we admit that what we are talking about are “people killers”
 
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