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What is Religion Doing Wrong

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
because:
1. not everybody is religious or Christian
2. governments push for wars regardless of what (religious) people may think or wish.



Are you saying mass shootings in the US happen because of Christians?
Did war in Ukraine happen because of beliefs rather than threat toward moscow?
Do people take narcotics because of faith?

Therefore?
Governments are made up of people. People have belief systems. The majority of people in the USA are Christian. Evangelicals helped elect Trump. The majority of conservatives are Christian. Just like the pharisees of Jesus' day.
 

Link

Veteran Member
Premium Member
One thing they all do wrong is mix falsehood and truth and don't hold their (not appointed by God) leadership accountable for that.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
Ever heard of the 'No true scotsman' fallacy?
If not there is an explanation of it here: No true Scotsman - Wikipedia


Ok, now you have unintentionally got me annoyed. It bugs me when people say this because;
a) It is not true for many terrorists who do follow their religion and would vehemently disagree with you that they are not following their religion.
b) It appears to imply that all the terrorists are non-religious, which I see as a kind of slur of the non religious to say that all the terrorists belong to us

In my opinion.

Maybe he meant "terrorism has no religion."
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
What do you mean by "the religious claim exclusivity"?
I was speaking in terms of religion. Not necessarily Christianity. Why is the label on the covering more important than the behavior of the person wearing it?
 

paradox

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Governments are made up of people. People have belief systems. The majority of people in the USA are Christian. Evangelicals helped elect Trump. The majority of conservatives are Christian. Just like the pharisees of Jesus' day.
I think you have just discovered that being a Christian doesn't mean being a Saint but rather a sinner. :)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
What a weird question.

I would somewhat agree that the liberal west is becoming more secular. Then you observe more aggression. Logic would then look for a connection between more secular and more aggression. But you prefer to blame religion.

What kind of logic is that?

Who honestly thought a secular society will be better or safer? Think
One doesn't have to be either of those to be spiritual. To be.mindful doesn't require one to stroke one's own ego. If love was your ideal you wouldn't be making excuses
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
That is not true.
We do not reject the law. We believe we cannot be saved by trying to obey the law perfectly. The law is, therefore, the perfect reminder that we are sinners in need of salvation.
In other words, we do the law because we are saved not to be saved.
In reformed circles, we prove our faith by our deeds. Doing the will of God is a biblical obligation.
The law is to love. Be perfect as your Father is perfect.

There is no sin where love abides. Proverbs 10:12
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
But isn't love, compassion about being inclusive and not exclusive?
Not enough for me. As I see it, we have enough of a disparate mix in society so as this to always create problems and issues, and this will likely be the case for any future unless we determine this should be otherwise - not that I see this happening. Hence, religions for me just can't deal with the base issue - our human nature (the variations) - and whatever they do, it is hardly going to be effective, and as seen in many cases just causes more conflict - based on outdated knowledge and beliefs.
 
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Vee

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why is the label on the covering more important than the behavior of the person wearing it?

It shouldn't be. We are what we do, not what we say.
In terms of actions, I know atheists that are much better "christians" than other people who say they are christians.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
It shouldn't be. We are what we do, not what we say.
In terms of actions, I know atheists that are much better "christians" than other people who say they are christians.
And that is what people should realize. Actions, not labels, separate sheep from goats.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Why isn't religion working? especially christianity since it is the largest religion in the world?

If religions is so great, why does there seem to be more aggression than ever in the world?
People are failing! Humanity is basically ignoring God. Sadly humans don’t change until they hurt bad enough.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
When terrorists caused 9/11 they didn't do it because they were Muslims, they did it because they hate America, and those two groups are often separate things
Being often separate doesn't make them always separate.

Have you read the polemics of Osama bin Laden?

His hatred for the US came from them having troops in Saudi Arabia, and from the suspension of his interpretation of Shariah, which he saw the US troops as the supporters of.

In it he quotes the Quran, traditions of Islam that he believes in and what looks like his favourite scholar Ibn Taymiyya.

To give you an example he says in his fatwa;

'Allah (SWT) stated in His Holy Book a unique promise (that had not been promised to any other sinner) to the Muslims who deals in usury: {O you who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah and relinquish what remains (due) from usury, if you are believers * But if you do (it) not, then be appraised of WAR from Allah and His Apostle} (Baqarah; 2:278-279). This is for the "Muslim" who deals in usury (believing that it is a sin), what is it then to the person who make himself a partner and equal to Allah, legalising (usury and other sins) what has been forbidden by Allah.'

Source: Online NewsHour: Bin Laden's Fatwa

In my opinion.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Why isn't religion working? especially christianity since it is the largest religion in the world? If religions is so great, why does there seem to be more aggression than ever in the world?

As Jesus said there would be MANY who come in his name but prove false at Matthew 7:21-23.
So, it is Not Christianity but rather 'Christendom' (so-called Christian but mostly in name only) that isn't working.
After 1st-century Christianity ended a great apostasy set in according to Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30.
Fake 'weed/tares' Christians would grow together with the genuine 'wheat' Christians until the Harvest Time.
The Harvest Time, the soon coming Time of Separation to take place on Earth at Jesus' Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34.
'More aggression' could be a causing factor for the 'powers in charge' to surprisingly turn on Christendom.
As some sort of a 'religious queen' Christendom thinks she will never see mourning or sorrow - Revelation 18:7
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
People are failing! Humanity is basically ignoring God. Sadly humans don’t change until they hurt bad enough.
Religious waters (people) are drying up spiritually.
Just like the Euphrates River was literally dried up before Babylon was destroyed. - Revelation 16:12; 17:15,1 B
So, it is now the same before the coming Time of Separation to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-34.
Those Babylonians did Not change and nor will the figurative ' goats ' change.
Wicked people will be: destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
This is a commandment which is a portion of the law, full law is this: Matthew 22:37-40
I find Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law (Romans 10:4) and Christians are under the 'Law of Christ' - Galatians 6:2
Jesus gives a NEW commandment found at John 13:34-35.
We are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor MORE than self, more than the Golden Rule - Leviticus 19:18.
 
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