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Is this Proof of Lord?

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
I think, therefore I am.

-René Descartes-
To cite Voltaire (F.-Marie Arouet, the prominent thinker from "traditional'' France):
"Prejudice is the reason of fools'', "Every man is guilty of
whatever good he has not done'', and "If God did not exist, He would have to
be invented. But all nature cries aloud that He does exist: that there is
a supreme intelligence, an immense power, an admirable order, and everything
teaches us our own dependence on it.''

Must I feel the shame of my Religious Beliefs if there are atheists? No,
human rights defend my beliefs. "Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the
Son of Man will be ashamed of them'' Luke 9:26. And the atheists are not hiding their
atheism from the scientific community and are very proud of
their spiritual [but godless] achievements. For example, the atheist has played Neo in a very spiritual film: The Matrix.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
unrelated to your OP and context of what you've posted this to but:
Thanks for the link on different ways to say no. I'll be watching it...right now I only know how to say no in english, spanish, and German.

Non ... There ya go, you just learned some French
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
The omniscient is aware of his existence. Therefore, in omniscience, there is the knowledge that believers are right.
IF you are omniscient THEN you know that believers are right

BUT

You are not omniscient

HENCE

You don't know, but you can believe so
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
To cite Voltaire (F.-Marie Arouet, the prominent thinker from "traditional'' France):
"Prejudice is the reason of fools'', "Every man is guilty of
whatever good he has not done'', and "If God did not exist, He would have to
be invented. But all nature cries aloud that He does exist: that there is
a supreme intelligence, an immense power, an admirable order, and everything
teaches us our own dependence on it.''

Must I feel the shame of my Religious Beliefs if there are atheists? No,
human rights defend my beliefs. "Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the
Son of Man will be ashamed of them'' Luke 9:26. And the atheists are not hiding their
atheism from the scientific community and are very proud of
their spiritual [but godless] achievements. For example, the atheist has played Neo in a very spiritual film: The Matrix.

Spirituality need not include a "god."
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
The omniscient is aware of his existence. Therefore, in omniscience, there is the knowledge that believers are right.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360777856_Proof_of_God

"The omniscient is aware of his existence" is simply begging the question, to create your circular reasoning fallacy. Try if an omniscient existed, it would have to by definition be aware of it's existence. However you don't simply get to assume omniscience exists. You reel off the word proof with relentless disregard for what the word means, in any context.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
PLEASE DO NOT RE-write MY PROOF. I have no X written there.
It needs to be rephrased, to help you see how poorly argued it is. You have simply assumed omniscience exists, in your argument for the existence for omniscience. It is in no way a "proof".
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
It needs to be rephrased, to help you see how poorly argued it is. You have simply assumed omniscience exists, in your argument for the existence for omniscience. It is in no way a "proof".
You are hypnotizing me again. I am starting to feel stupid again.

 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
To cite Voltaire (F.-Marie Arouet, the prominent thinker from "traditional'' France):
"Prejudice is the reason of fools'', "Every man is guilty of
whatever good he has not done'', and "If God did not exist, He would have to
be invented. But all nature cries aloud that He does exist: that there is
a supreme intelligence, an immense power, an admirable order, and everything
teaches us our own dependence on it.''

Must I feel the shame of my Religious Beliefs if there are atheists? No,
human rights defend my beliefs. "Whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the
Son of Man will be ashamed of them'' Luke 9:26. And the atheists are not hiding their
atheism from the scientific community and are very proud of
their spiritual [but godless] achievements. For example, the atheist has played Neo in a very spiritual film: The Matrix.

I don't think atheism means what you think it means, and FYI you started a thread claiming proof for your belief, in a public debate forum, and now decry atheists for pointing out the flaws in your claim, while trying to play the victim.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
The sentence of type "If X, then X" is the following:

If I am blue, then I am blue.
You aren't blue, so your "If" fails.

So as an example, if things exist then there had to be a creator. But things could be eternal, so no need for a creator, so the "if" fails. This is the fatal flaw in all proofs that a God exists. It's always conditional and makes an assumption that is assumed true.

Here the X is "I am blue". You cannot see this structure in the text of my proof.

X is you missed my point.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
This is the fatal flaw in all proofs that a God exists. It's always conditional and makes an assumption that is assumed true.
My proof is different. My proof starts with a child's thoughts about the higher being. Then the child realizes that such a being must know about his existence. And because the higher being knows infinitely more than the child, the God is the knowledge.

Another formulation is:
The All-knowing Being is also the Absolute Truth. Because All-knowing being must know about own existence, then the Existence of God is the Absolute Truth.
 
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