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God and Wholeness, Absolute

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
How do you interpret Genesis 1 without acknowledging multiplicity?
mind, body, spirit complex. so then god is the force, spirit is the mind(collective consciousness), and the body(matter) = waters



cosmic dancer



 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Certainly there are no other Gods to whom we can compare YHWH or claim to be equal to YHWH.
Isa 46:5)
the verse, Isaiah 45:5 says there is no otherness. you don't really exist as distinctly separate from god. this is why john 14:20 is the realization on that day. the spirit finds that its spirit is god's and so self dwells in the house of the lord forever, psalsm 23:8


again re-inforced and understood with revelation as the self overcomes the illusion of separateness and oneness is realized


revelation 3:12.


the kingdom has come, been realized.

the kingdoms of the earth, self become god's

revelation 11:15



do you hear that sound? it's the lord repaying his enemies?

Hear that uproar from the city, hear that noise from the temple! It is the sound of the LORD repaying his enemies all they deserve.


 
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Segev Moran

Well-Known Member
can the idea of God be whole, absolute, if it is separated/divided/contrasted/relative from anything?

absolute generally means all but if god is separate from something, then god and that something would have to be the Absolute, making something greater than god alone?


absolute | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
God is not separate from you same as you are not separate from life (or life separate from you).
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
A view from Monist philosophy;

“The cosmos is in an entangled state.
Entangled systems are fundamental wholes.
Therefore,
The cosmos is a fundamental whole.”
- Jonathan Schaffer, Monism, The Priority of the Whole

Schaffer (Rutgers University, New Brunswick) extrapolates from this assertion that subsystems, from sub-atomic particles to macroscopic entities like ourselves, are less fundamental than the cosmos as a whole. The entire universe itself is the fundamental substance, and the defining characteristic of a fundamental substance is that it is the foundational entity of existence. Don Howard (University of Notre Dame, dept of philosophy) goes further, asserting that it is only the whole that exists, and that the qualities of, and relations between, separate entities are determined not by individual features of the entities themselves, but only by features of the one, the cosmos.

We may say, there are wholes, there are parts of wholes, but there are no whole parts. So we, as subs-systems of the whole, are incomplete entities, not really distinct entities at all. Our existence as separate, distinct fragments of the whole, our otherness, is an illusory function of the low dimensional space of our macroscopic experience (as opposed to the infinite dimensional space of ultimate reality).

The religious or spiritual Monist might substitute the word cosmos for the word God here and say, God is everything, and all things have their existence only in God.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
the verse, Isaiah 45:5 says there is no otherness. you don't really exist as distinctly separate from god. this is why john 14:20 is the realization on that day. the spirit finds that its spirit is god's and so self dwells in the house of the lord forever, psalsm 23:8


again re-inforced and understood with revelation as the self overcomes the illusion of separateness and oneness is realized


revelation 3:12.


the kingdom has come, been realized.

the kingdoms of the earth, self become god's

revelation 11:15



do you hear that sound? it's the lord repaying his enemies?

Hear that uproar from the city, hear that noise from the temple! It is the sound of the LORD repaying his enemies all they deserve.



You seem to have mixed and matched religions to suite your beliefs and so you mess up your interpretation of the Bible to go with your beliefs.
Whole religions are made up with people doing just that, but YHWH is against that sort of syncretism, it just brings in errors into the teachings of God.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
You seem to have mixed and matched religions to suite your beliefs and so you mess up your interpretation of the Bible to go with your beliefs.
Whole religions are made up with people doing just that, but YHWH is against that sort of syncretism, it just brings in errors into the teachings of God.
actually it is you manipulating the english language to make things appear as they aren't.

the post you quoted says nothing about another religion
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
actually it is you manipulating the english language to make things appear as they aren't.

the post you quoted says nothing about another religion

The post and others indicate that you take teachings of other non Abrahamic religions and want to mix them with the Bible and so try to interpret the Bible in the light of those religions.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
The post and others indicate that you take teachings of other non Abrahamic religions and want to mix them with the Bible and so try to interpret the Bible in the light of those religions.
god isn't a respecter of persons. you really think you're all that special?


your love for your religion says more about you than it does god's people. GOD so loved the world as you reject parts of it. you even ignore your idol and claim christianity above your fellow human kind that aren't christian.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
is english your first language? again ideas sometimes don't have exact wording because of cultural and time issues.

Absolute does not mean all mate. No matter what superiority complex you have. Its laughable and childish to think you are some superior being to ask me if English is my first language. Cheap.

Absolute does not mean all.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Absolute does not mean all mate. No matter what superiority complex you have. Its laughable and childish to think you are some superior being to ask me if English is my first language. Cheap.

Absolute does not mean all.
i'm not claiming superiority. i'm claiming all is god. that is not superior. that is equality for self and other as self.

calling me mate doesn't make your antagonism any less apparent


and asking someone a question usually doesn't qualify anything more than a yes or no answer unless it's seen as demeaning by the one being asked. even english speakers as a first language don't always know all the meanings of a word. language isn't precise. it can imply many things not absolutely stated
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
i'm not claiming superiority. i'm claiming all is god.

That is not your superiority complex. If you read my post again, maybe with a little thinking you will understand that asking me if English is my first language portrays your complex. Its cheap, childish, and pretty lame.

Secondly, I know that you are claiming "all is God", but its simple English knowledge to know "Absolute" does not mean "all". ;)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
That is not your superiority complex. If you read my post again, maybe with a little thinking you will understand that asking me if English is my first language portrays your complex. Its cheap, childish, and pretty lame.

Secondly, I know that you are claiming "all is God", but its simple English knowledge to know "Absolute" does not mean "all". ;)
no it doesn't. you're not answering the question implies I should know. i don't. and you don't understand how language works obviously. a synonym for absolute is almighty which literally is all + mighty. meaning all as one. another common synonym for absolute and all is complete. without relativity to something else implies all, or singularity

all and absolute aren't antonyms, nor do they even come close. in spanish todos means all, everyone, everything; when used in context of the language.

and your continuing unanswered responses aren't making your case. absolute doesn't imply all and something else too. there is nothing relative to it; so it means all


2. Absolute Philosophy
a. Something regarded as the ultimate and transcendent basis of all thought and being. Used with the.
b. Something regarded as exceeding or transcending everything else to the point of being independent and unrelated.
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
no it doesn't. you're not answering the question implies I should know. i don't. and you don't understand how language works obviously.

Aww. Thats pretty good of an effort to feel good by putting other people down. You should find another way to feel good about yourself.

a synonym for absolute is almighty which literally is all + mighty

Almighty does not mean "all". God being almighty does not mean he is everything including rocks, birds, worms, humans, and air.

Bogus.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Aww. Thats pretty good of an effort to feel good by putting other people down. You should find another way to feel good about yourself.



Almighty does not mean "all". God being almighty does not mean he is everything including rocks, birds, worms, humans, and air.

Bogus.
then god can't be all, or absolute, if anything else exists apart from it because there is otherness

and i've already shown you a definition that uses the idea of all in relationship to the idea of absolute. this discussion wasn't about how you feel. it was about understanding language and the idea of absolute.

suddenly you have made it about you. it doesn't address the fact that you want absolute to mean anything but all.
 
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