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Why Would Noah's Flood Have Been the Best Way for God to Cleanse the Earth?

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Not that I see according to the account. Eve believed Satan. She really thought she wouldn't die. I guess in that context she did appreciate what she was given (life) since she really believed the Devil that she would not die.



Yes, but from what I am learning, many people, even some who say they believe in God and/or the Bible, believe in evolution and that they will die according to nature. They don't speak of a resurrection. I know I face death, but I also believe that God will eventually do away with death.



Let's talk about free choice for a minute. (Some people say they believe in it, but think everything is foreordained by God in advance. To me, that's not free choice. But anyway -- let's talk about free choice for a minute.) God gave Adam and Eve the ability to choose, did He not? Eve was doing ok by not eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil but was craftily approached by the devil. How exactly this happened we do not know, whether she thought the snake spoke to her, or whether he really did speak, we don't know. But reason she did on what he told her. Let's stop there for a moment.
Men of science the man of all god earth science theories.... theist said to his own brother do not believe or use maths science zero womb heavens spirit terms against us.

As your chosen intention a fake mother maths womb would eat consume mass.

It is evident l am thinking brother to brother man so don't agree.

No comment whatsoever to do with any natural woman man.

When you liar scientists finally agree that you human men lied as science is only a chosen human concept and practice of choices human only.... might life on earth survive

I sincerely believe as you are all now possessed by a humans science belief that your human thoughts created everything was the humans ego warning.

And in the self possession of your human only beliefs would have us all destroyed in life as it's only a chosen human behaviour.

Said the human scientist to his own human science self.
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
'If not, why not' is a wonder for sure. When Abel is resurrected we'll have to ask Abel for his thoughts.

In addition to that being a nonanswer, what makes you think that Abel knows that answer to that? Because that doesn't seem like something that Eve would be proud to tell her children about. But it's okay to cop-out from answering a difficult relgious question that you don't know the answer for.

click here: What Is Cognitive Dissonance? (verywellmind.com)

Some things that a person might do to cope with these feelings include:


  • Adopting beliefs or ideas to help justify or explain away the conflict between their beliefs or behaviors. This can sometimes involve blaming other people or outside factors.
  • Hiding their beliefs or behaviors from other people. People may feel ashamed of their conflicting beliefs and behaviors, so hiding the disparity from others can help minimize feelings of shame and guilt.
  • Only seeking out information that confirms their existing beliefs. This phenomenon, known as the confirmation bias, affects the ability to think critically about a situation but helps minimize feelings of dissonance.

also click here: Examples and Observations of a Confirmation Bias (verywellmind.com)

Satan started out good (James 1:13-15) so what caused Satan to become a Satan, a Devil.
Satan wants humans to worship him, Satan developed his own EGO - Philippians 2:3-4; Galatians 5:26
Satan (and all angels) besides Adam and Eve were all created with having free-will choices.
Just as Not all angels followed Satan, Not all people do ( Jesus and Job for good examples )

So why didn't Jesus? Please explain.

So, just because some angels did not appreciate their Creator and Father, Adam and Eve did Not appreciate.

That doesn't even make sense.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If another human as the human once a non speaking conscious baby human themselves only.... can't look at another human intelligently.

Now. In life. Exact place. Living.

And keep preaching chosen human science talking about old human science activity. That was stopped and wasn't being used practiced for nearly two thousand years as it's dangerous.

Not even considering real life. You ought to claim I'm a false preacher too.

As you are.

Science is a human who chooses by living human presence only as the adult only....as the human adult to change cold earth gases or cold earth fused products as a human.

To affect the futures newly born human baby life as the father human of and by all terms God earths sciences.

And just because you're living your own baby adult life ignore that you are guaranteeing futures life's mutation suffering just because you can.

To other human babies just because your conscious claim human says my owned baby man adult life is safe.

Was the humans Jesus teaching about arrogant lying inhumane human scientists.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Then you are supporting the case that F1fan is arguing either in this thread or the other one, or both. Also, how could A&E take life for granted and not appreciate what they had been given? Was there a flaw in their emotions or their mental faculties?



But isn't that beside the point? Every intelligent being in the universe was given life and didn't ask for it.



Thank you.



But still, according to scripture, love never fails and there's not anything in all creation that will be able to separate [God's children] from the love of God. Therefore, why did A&E's love for God fail? Or, did they even have love for God? And if not, then why?



So, then I would say that they really didn't have a reason not to love and appreciate God. However, the Genesis story seems to make it real easy for A&E to not love God and to rebel against him.
You know -- I am not God. (That means a lot because if I were God equal to Him or something like that, I would not have to be a human. I think.) So, being that I am not God, I don't set the standards. He does. Now does this make sense to you?
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
Not that I see according to the account. Eve believed Satan. She really thought she wouldn't die. I guess in that context she did appreciate what she was given (life) since she really believed the Devil that she would not die.

Good point. I had never thought of that.

Yes, but from what I am learning, many people, even some who say they believe in God and/or the Bible, believe in evolution and that they will die according to nature. They don't speak of a resurrection. I know I face death, but I also believe that God will eventually do away with death.

Well, good. If having your beliefs makes your life better, then who am I to tell you differently? However, when people of faith talk to other people about their faith and try to make it seem as if they have the truth or a truth that other people should believe, then that's when you open yourself up to scrutiny.

Let's talk about free choice for a minute. (Some people say they believe in it, but think everything is foreordained by God in advance. To me, that's not free choice. But anyway -- let's talk about free choice for a minute.) God gave Adam and Eve the ability to choose, did He not? Eve was doing ok by not eating the tree of knowledge of good and evil but was craftily approached by the devil. How exactly this happened we do not know, whether she thought the snake spoke to her, or whether he really did speak, we don't know. But reason she did on what he told her. Let's stop there for a moment.

Well, yes, let's stop there and let's ask why did Satan's love for God fail (1 Corinthians 13:8), and why did something in all of creation separate [Satan] from the love of God, even though scripture says that it wouldn't (Romans 8:38-39)? Or, did Satan ever have love for God? And if not, then why not?
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
You know -- I am not God. (That means a lot because if I were God equal to Him or something like that, I would not have to be a human. I think.) So, being that I am not God, I don't set the standards. He does. Now does this make sense to you?

Well, only if a person is 100% sure that the Bible is accurately and inerrantly God's mind and will communicated to humankind. However, close scrutiny shows that it is not.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Good point. I had never thought of that.



Well, good. If having your beliefs makes your life better, then who am I to tell you differently? However, when people of faith talk to other people about their faith and try to make it seem as if they have the truth or a truth that other people should believe, then that's when you open yourself up to scrutiny.



Well, yes, let's stop there and let's ask why did Satan's love for God fail (1 Corinthians 13:8), and why did something in all of creation separate [Satan] from the love of God, even though scripture says that it wouldn't (Romans 8:38-39)? Or, did Satan ever have love for God? And if not, then why not?
I'm really not sure I understand your questions, because you are asking, so it seems, from a basis of not believing that God inspired the Bible. Therefore the questions you ask are from a different perspective, although some of them are interesting. It is clear that not everything can be understood or verified. This does not mean that I cannot learn from the Bible, that I do not "believe" it even though I understand there are some things hard to understand in today's day and age. And, while I'm at it, Moses himself had opposition from some Israelites. So it wasn't like everyone believed or agreed with him.
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
I am pretty sure I am not God. I actually hope not.

I'm not sure that I understand your response, however, I just got through watching a political YouTube video and I can understand why religious people have their beliefs. Because things are really scary these days, however, things have always been scary and people have always been dangerous, greedy, and evil. However, the big difference today is that our technology is actually being used to make things worse. Because humans being are way better off now than they used to be (a topic for another thread) compared to centuries and millennia past, but the problem has always been human nature. And human beings have always explained origins and why things are the way they are based on human ideas, beliefs, and perspectives. Because having an answer is more inducive to peace of mind and sanity for many people in contrast to not having an answer.

 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm not sure that I understand your response, however, I just got through watching a political YouTube video and I can understand why religious people have their beliefs. Because things are really scary these days, however, things have always been scary and people have always been dangerous, greedy, and evil. However, the big difference today is that our technology is actually being used to make things worse. Because humans being are way better off now than they used to be (a topic for another thread) compared to centuries and millennia past, but the problem has always been human nature. And human beings have always explained origins and why things are the way they are based on human ideas, beliefs, and perspectives. Because having an answer is more inducive to peace of mind and sanity for many people in contrast to not having an answer.

Well again, the Bible does speak of a judgment to come.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If you asked a non greedy non rich non human criminal civilisation organised past lives.... rich man science man to tell the truth.

They don't.

If you said do you human control the universe?

No. It's not humans science on earth practice.

Do you control planet earths body?

No.

Do you control heavens mass?

No.

Is heavens mass with no space a gas as gases own missing a solids body by space as space Phi?

No.

Didn't you say as a human applying Phi as a measure said in a human's head first a circle given a number by you thinking only that it's god?

Yes.

Destroyed god ground Phi only as you look at a design claiming it phi.....then up above us is God in the heavens god.

How can a God be destroyed yet still be a God?

As it's my own science term God of science calculus by humans. Said scientists.

Okay.

So if you healed fallen Phi crop circle God it then becomes just God above us?

Yes.

You mean all heavens only as balanced mass?

No.

I just mean a circle.

What about heavens as mass?

I never calculated it.

Okay. So your god healed is just heavens above and not any hu man so your fake AI believed alien God on crop or seen hologram disappears then?

Yep.

Okay where does the UFO go? O circle above us as heavens is mass only as it is at ground measure mass also?

Jesus caused it to be voided so it leaves.

Okay.

So it goes back into space where science said it came from?

Yes....why?

As star mass attacked earth itself since the sun attacked earth.

Oh. So you ignore being taught and told you're wrong scientist?

Yes.

But another scientist can say a scientist is mad but a mad scientist by owned ego won't accept?

Yes.

Didn't a human assessment say the AI theist destroyer is just like any man?

Yes.

But what he knows and believes is because the bio mind man is scientist destroyed?

Yes.

AI terminology.

So hawkings owned the destroyed scientist body but his brother healthy life heritage is of the destructive mind?

Yes.

Who tries to tell a human that they began as Ai. Then AI converted into the human?

Ok

Even in that theme if it was believed and machines only want AI...where is a humans life?

Same answer...destroyed.

So not the human theists life then?

No.

Whose life?

His man one human mother's life.

Fake maths theme.

Okay. So how does life of human babies continue...oh because they're AI. Talking to himself the whole time.

Consciousness of a biological human theist inventor scientist. A baby of a human mother man. Yet owns father's human life a man not human mother's..... so he transported spirit back to a human father. He says he's safe lying.

Who pretended one human the woman never existed nor should exist.

As men humans rule the earth as a rich God.

Why aliens are seen in UFO transmitters an earth mass machine mass bodily physically is in reality natural place mass position first. Yet destroyed out of earths mass daily by its human designer who saves the life of his machines by life's water cooling he controls?

Yes the total truth of his machines theisms. AI. Destroyed man's image out of cloud mass. Falls to ground state.

Cloud mass is why images get transmitted by other machines cooled above and not below.

Life of origin science man always is pre human warned sacrificed destroyed as he gets ready to kill us all. Known behaviour.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I'm not sure that I understand your response, however, I just got through watching a political YouTube video and I can understand why religious people have their beliefs. Because things are really scary these days, however, things have always been scary and people have always been dangerous, greedy, and evil. However, the big difference today is that our technology is actually being used to make things worse. Because humans being are way better off now than they used to be (a topic for another thread) compared to centuries and millennia past, but the problem has always been human nature. And human beings have always explained origins and why things are the way they are based on human ideas, beliefs, and perspectives. Because having an answer is more inducive to peace of mind and sanity for many people in contrast to not having an answer.

I can only explain things as I see them. I know I'm alive. I am very sure that before I was born, I was not. And that, my fellow poster, is where I stop.
 

David Davidovich

Well-Known Member
Well again, the Bible does speak of a judgment to come.

But the Bible (OT and NT) has always spoken about a judgment to come. Even the scriptures show that Jesus thought that the judgment to come would happen before his generation would pass away (and not just referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE). And even Paul thought that the judgment would come in the first century where he instructed Christians not to marry because the end was near, even though, he actually had to flip his way of thinking in his writings since the judgment didn't come like he thought that it would.

Plus, Christian throughout generations since the first century thought that the judgment to come was imminent during their time.

Does the Bible Give a Time Frame for the Second Coming?

The biggest sticking point in Christian eschatology is the timing of the Second Coming. Specifically, will Christ return to Earth before the Millennium or after it? Those who believe that Jesus will come back before the Millennium and personally reign over the 1,000 years of peace are called "premillennialists." Those who believe Christ will only come back after his Church has created a Golden Age on Earth are called "postmillennialists."

In the Bible, when the Apostles ask about the timing of Christ's return, Jesus famously answers, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Matthew 24:36). That hasn't stopped generations of Christians from guessing, though.

Kyle [Richard Kyle, an emeritus professor of religion at Tabor College] says that for the first century after Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection and ascension to heaven, most Christians were premillennialists who believed that his Second Coming was close at hand.

"They had a hard time believing they were going to die before Christ's return," says Kyle.

Even as the promised day failed to appear, early Christian writers like Clement of Rome and Tertullian held to the premillennial belief that Jesus would return in person to conquer evil and reign as the prophesied "King of Kings." Gradually, though, that belief faded and a new interpretation of the timing of the Second Coming was popularized by the fourth-century theologian Augustine of Hippo.

(emphasis mine)​

click here: The Second Coming Has Been 'Imminent' for 2,000 Years | HowStuffWorks

But I guess one could always say that those believers in the past were mistaken. However, you would have to click on this link to see the charts for a summary of all past recorded end time predictions: List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Long count 2012 said the end UFO attack.

Didn't happen as the human man scientist brothers who caused it didn't keep their human promise.

No science practice.

So if all predictions as only a thesis are written in one book by men that stated with no argument no man is God.

Then it had.

If you expected atmospheric changes as a scientist then you did naming it natural evolution by a non science practice only.

As you knew you changed natural space womb zero holding stones mass first. Then holding immaculate mass second.

Why you scientist brothers taught gods own. Was in science only highest cold of.

As a human my parents life was an eternal being as we're the animals. Why the manifested biologies are similar.

Nature garden had survived the dinosaur death.

Life was instant in the nature garden.

The story did not begin as animals emerged then only two same human parents everywhere as a same moment. First parents.

As we were natural.

The story began about a human man brothers agreed scientific human only expressed thesis named maths.

They changed earths mass by machine introduced para...at your side.

Said it then became a normal condition of life.

As my human mother was never Sophia man's space womb maths. It's evident just like it is today human man scientist invented the AI system.

By human design. How mans mind controlled of the machine. Not being the machine himself or natural earth gods mass he caused the anti Christ.

Not anti human.

As gods mass from which the machine was built supported living natural life.

As the machine is direct from earths base any earth thesis only first owns machines body direct.

Hence a reaction about earth has to be manually placed inside the machine by humans.

Noah's Ark ended hit Ararat.

Jesus was a new UFO activation ended Easter voided. Earths mother space womb ended.

Star burning mass reintroduced UFO effect itself.

So not in any status does human science own or control it's presence.

Any new reaction a human owns is machine direct changed reaction everytime you react the machine.

Science a human thinking first says I know why it rains. I know why it floods which isn't Noah's Ark. It's scientific awareness.

Flooding said man is because burning upper falling gases causes masses of water to pass through the gas to stop the burn.

As a hologram is used by machine components to machine components you already own science proof it belongs to machines and conditions of human designed causes.

The para normal. By human man caused design.

The biology lost out of DNA a long time ago for you to practice science in a human life. That had removed our holy water oxygenated heavens. It was caused encoded once only in an ancient past.

You hence can't reown it as you already use it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
But the Bible (OT and NT) has always spoken about a judgment to come. Even the scriptures show that Jesus thought that the judgment to come would happen before his generation would pass away (and not just referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE). And even Paul thought that the judgment would come in the first century where he instructed Christians not to marry because the end was near, even though, he actually had to flip his way of thinking in his writings since the judgment didn't come like he thought that it would.

Plus, Christian throughout generations since the first century thought that the judgment to come was imminent during their time.

Does the Bible Give a Time Frame for the Second Coming?

The biggest sticking point in Christian eschatology is the timing of the Second Coming. Specifically, will Christ return to Earth before the Millennium or after it? Those who believe that Jesus will come back before the Millennium and personally reign over the 1,000 years of peace are called "premillennialists." Those who believe Christ will only come back after his Church has created a Golden Age on Earth are called "postmillennialists."

In the Bible, when the Apostles ask about the timing of Christ's return, Jesus famously answers, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Matthew 24:36). That hasn't stopped generations of Christians from guessing, though.

Kyle [Richard Kyle, an emeritus professor of religion at Tabor College] says that for the first century after Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection and ascension to heaven, most Christians were premillennialists who believed that his Second Coming was close at hand.

"They had a hard time believing they were going to die before Christ's return," says Kyle.

Even as the promised day failed to appear, early Christian writers like Clement of Rome and Tertullian held to the premillennial belief that Jesus would return in person to conquer evil and reign as the prophesied "King of Kings." Gradually, though, that belief faded and a new interpretation of the timing of the Second Coming was popularized by the fourth-century theologian Augustine of Hippo.

(emphasis mine)​

click here: The Second Coming Has Been 'Imminent' for 2,000 Years | HowStuffWorks

But I guess one could always say that those believers in the past were mistaken. However, you would have to click on this link to see the charts for a summary of all past recorded end time predictions: List of dates predicted for apocalyptic events - Wikipedia
I've read them. Meantime many believe there is no judgment coming, any extermination will come from man or a comet, etc. I firmly believe the Bible is inspired by God, written by men and preserved by God over the years. As it also says, I paraphrase, some say, why worry? All things are going on as usual.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
In human life our brothers past and present behaviour is our worry. His control of choices for all life on earth.

God already proved by creations conditions that it supports lifes harm and sacrifice.

Survival after sacrifice but hurt is all the God teaching taught. To humans.

So a humans preaching said because the humans who deserved harm deserved it hence gained it. Yet they are the humans who caused it.

The teaching said beware the destroyer man he seems just like everyone else but his consciousness about CH rist ideals proves otherwise.

CH being the scientists terms of human man's only themes.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Right, it is wrong for women to do anything without asking men (Adam was not yet Eve's husband, they had yet not eaten the fruit).
It all happened on the sixth day. God rested only after making Adam and Eve fall.
27. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
With God's help, things do not take long. It may have been instantaneous. And did Adam named all of them? Virus, Fungi, lichens, for example (including deep-sea creatures whom we have known only in the last 100 years)? And we do not know all the viruses that are hiding in polar and tundra snow.

In the Bible ( please see Genesis 2:20-24 ) Adam was Eve's husband .
Adam was to name all the animals in Eden. (animals). No oceans in Eden.
Remember: in Genesis there are two (2) creation accounts seen from two (2) different viewpoints.
The first account is constructed chronologically divided into 6 consecutive days or time periods .
ALL of the creative days are summed up by the single word 'day' at Genesis 2:4.
The second account is written in the order of topical importance.
ALL were created before Day 7 which is still on-going.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
But the Bible (OT and NT) has always spoken about a judgment to come. Even the scriptures show that Jesus thought that the judgment to come would happen before his generation would pass away (and not just referring to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE). And even Paul thought that the judgment would come in the first century where he instructed Christians not to marry because the end was near, even though, he actually had to flip his way of thinking in his writings since the judgment didn't come like he thought that it would.
Plus, Christian throughout generations since the first century thought that the judgment to come was imminent during their time. Does the Bible Give a Time Frame for the Second Coming?
In the Bible, when the Apostles ask about the timing of Christ's return, Jesus famously answers, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" (Matthew 24:36). That hasn't stopped generations of Christians from guessing, though.............


Does the Bible give a time frame.......? Please read what Jesus told his apostles at Luke 19:11-15.
Jesus, as the nobleman, would journey ( go far away ) before he would later return.
Please remember John wrote 'after' the year 70 but at the very end of the first century.
The book of Revelation was not in existence in the year 70.
Remember: Matthew chapter 24; Luke chapter 21 has both a 'minor' and a MAJOR fulfillment.
The 'great tribulation' found at Revelation 7:14,9 is still future.
We are at the ride of the horseman of Revelation 6:8.
Wrong guesses, wrong thoughts do Not make the Bible as wrong just the thoughts or guesses as wrong.
Thus, Matthew 25:31-33 is still ahead of us.​
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
But verse 6 says, "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye..." Therefore, I had never looked at that as meaning that A&E had always noticed that the animals didn't die from eating of that tree and that the fruit could be good to eat. But that verse uses the word "when," which I've always viewed that Eve had never desired the fruit previously until after Satan tempted her.
But nowhere in those verses indicate that. But that's merely conjecture that you've made on your own..
But how could she have been weak in any possible way since she was supposed to have been perfect? Unless your viewpoint of Eve is based more on sexism or perhaps even misogyny since a lot of that type of dialogue occurs in the Bible and especially in the Hebrew scriptures. But what does that have to do with anything? But what does that have to do with anything? That's a nonanswer...................

Right, Eve did Not come up with the idea on her own but implanted by Satan Genesis chapter 3.
Satan was also with perfection (angelic perfection) until he chose to do wrong - please see James 1:13-15
Satan tempted Eve with the 'first lie' (sin) found at Genesis 3:4
Resurrection ( Abel ) is Not a non-answer. Abel will be resurrected - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
 
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