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Have You Sinned?
- Thread starter roli
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Thanks for asking ,yes absolutely ,I encourage your thoughts.MaddLlama said:
Excellent ,why don't weI do have some questions about some of the sins on the list though, and what qualifies as having sinned against that precept (this is a discussion after all, isn't it? Why don't we make it more productive).
I believe it refers to the fact that man has always worshipped and offered sacrifices to unknown gods,both inanimate and animate and avoided giving full devotion to the living God.
For us today there are religions that give heed to idols they have erected and placed in temples,and places of worship, but can we have any in our residences,offices,garages,wallets.What could be your god,money ,material things,careers,entertainment etc.
Can these be forms and images that become our worship
I believe we have the greatest entertainment center known to man,that being our minds.
We can create in our very vivid imaginations concepts and images of gods that cater to and endorse our lifestyles,behaviors ,actons etc.
Excellent point.#4 tells us to keep the sabbath holy. Which sabbath are we talking about? Jewish tradition dictates the sabbath as a saturday, while Christian tradition makes it a sunday. The commandments were first given to the Jewish people, so does that make the saturday sabbath more valid than the sunday one? And, how exactly does one "keep the sabbath holy"? Again, Christian and Jewish tradition concerning the holy week day differ. Is it simply taking that day as a day to go to temple or church? Or is it as some orthodox Jewish traditions believe, and there is no work other than going to temple to be done on the holy day (and, of course, no bowling!
Yes ,it does appear confusing and legalistic,but Jesus speaks concerning this specific command
According to Jesus,he says don't let anyone judge according new moons,sabbaths,festivals, or what you eat and drink etc.
It always starts in the heart,that is apprently what God looks at
That is religion,find a day and if you believe in God give that day as a day of prayer,devotion etc,To some it may be everyday,others specific days.
I believe if you study it ,the first commands are directed at God.
The later commands speak to our fellow man
Jesus actually speaks of the heart where all the sin oringinates, that if you hate someone you commit murder in your heart.
If you look with lust you commit adultry in the heart.
Dr. Nosophoros
Active Member
Yes I have "sinned" and I Ioved every minute of it, for it gave me in a very primal way satisfaction that self restraint never could have.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
One question I have. It says honor your parents. What if they do not deserve that honor?
Real Sorceror
Pirate Hunter
Sin is being disobedient to God, right? If thats the case, then I don't know if I've sinned, although I expect God and myself must disagree on something or another.
Paladin
Member
Luke Wolf said:
I don't think it ultimately has anything to do with "deserving" though I understand your perspective on this.
I think it has everything to do with a shift in consciousness that allows others, in this case the parents, to simply be as they are, human, imperfect, forgiveable. If the pain and suffering caused by these parents is still insurmountable, there is still much healing needed. Once healed these old wounds dissolve and one can see the parents in a different light, this is self transformation, or trancending an old perspective that ultimately is defeating. I went through this stage and it was quite painful at times, and took years for it all to come out. Now, at least I can see my parents as they are, not as I would have them be.
Peace
Mark
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Luke Wolf said:
That's an excellent question that I do not think the Bible addresses.
It's akin to the command not to divorce by Jesus, we have to stay with people we may not enjoy being around... the idea is that Christians are not supposed to ever give up on people, always expecting, hoping, and praying for the redemption of our friends and ourselves.
It's tied to the idea of self-sacrifice and resurrection. Honoring parents and staying with a spouce is for many people, "taking up our cross and following Jesus."
So you do believe in gods as you have mentioned.Gentoo said:
Could you answer a couple questions for interest sake.
What do you call it when you slip
Sin by it's definition actually means missing the mark,as in christianity it is missing gods standard of perfection
Perfection not as in perfect but in completeness
Do your gods help you when you slip or help you to avoid slipping up?
How do your gods punish you?
Do they bring you hope or any form of redemption?
Gentoo
The Feisty Penguin
Sureroli said:
I call it a slip up, or as most people know them: mistakes.
I hadn't heard that before, but it's an interesting take on it.
I believe they do, I view them as parental figures. They're there when I need them, and they give advice, help me see the error of my ways sometimes and other parental-type things.
They don't. I believe that karma takes care of punishing for bad deeds and rewarding good ones.
They bring me a lot of hope. In fact, they bring me a form of completeness, perhaps the completeness that you spoke of.
Mike182
Flaming Queer
i'm happy you believe that way, but i don't believe i will be held to account for my actions by the standards of teh 10 commandments because i don't follow the God who sanctified them.roli said:
my Patron Goddess is Hecate, but i am a polytheist - but this isn't really relevant to the topic.
the figures themselves bring nothing but aesthetic pleasure, but what they stand for gives me purpose.
PureX
Veteran Member
Yes, we can change and grow and become "more" of who we were meant to be than we are, now. And sometimes that change will require external help. We won't be able to do it by ourselves.roli said:
I, personally, would hesitate to refer to "God" as an "exterior source" just because I think we are all expressions of "God", and as such, God is not "external" to us, but is the very essence of who and what we are. I think we actually need to look within ourselves to try and get some vision of what the "perfected me" would look like.
Ask yourself this question what is you follow than when your conscience tells you, don't murder,lie,steal,hate,covet.Mike182 said:
According to God it won't matter that you believe in other gods, for that won't exempt anyone form his judement, according to the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob
The 10 commands are not only standards in which our North America has established it's civil law it's placed in all our hearts and that is the standard in which we will all be accountable,regardless of our life's pursuit.
Well that sounds like new age thinking and the essence of the new found "secret".PureX said:
The problem with looking within to find the perfect me is that is an unrealistic pursuit as we need to not look to deep to find,lying ,deceit,hatered,violence,theft,selfishness,arrogance,lust and the like.
But it is a nobel line of thinking but we need to just look around our globe to see the truth and futility of that attempt.
Man is ruthless,evil to the core ,but that is hard to confess and admit.
Our nature is wicked and sinful.
The transformation within a Christian is the nature of man being changed into the nature of God,by his spirit