Why Would Noah's Flood Have Been the Best Way for God to Cleanse the Earth?

URAVIP2ME · Apr 19, 2022

Aupmanyav said:
It was Eve who tempted Adam.

Eve was deceived by the BIG lie Satan told her at Genesis 3:4 that she would Not die.
Whereas, Adam was Not deceived 1 Timothy 2:14.

Audie · Apr 19, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
You are Not alone in wondering, and having an inquiring mind one wants to know.
In Bible speak, so to speak, we find the word ' day ' has shades of meaning.
Even today we speak of 'grandfather's day' and we know that is more than a 24 hour day.
ALL of the creative days notice are summed up by the single word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4.
What we find is that Adam and Eve would die in the ' day ' they ate, but Not in a 24-hour day.
Adam lived 930 years and the oldest person lived 969 years - Genesis 5:3; Genesis 5:27.
In God's eyes a thousand years is as a ' day ' so they died within that thousand year time frame or 'day'.
- Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. In other words, No one would live past age 1,000.
Just as Jesus' coming 'Millennium-Long Day' is a thousand-year day or a time frame of one-thousand years.

Basically, the words can mean almost anything?

David Davidovich · Apr 19, 2022

YoursTrue said:
I'm reading some of the comments here, and while I certainly can't account for everything -- obviously -- it seems to me that humans alone argue about religion. Plants do not. Lions do not. Gorillas do not.

Nor tigers and bears.

F1fan · Apr 19, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
I remember when I was about age 20 there was a local ice cream farm store.
As I ate the delicious ice cream it was so fresh tasting as if it was just made directly from the cow.
A silly thought entered my head that I wondered if Adam could have tasted this would he have sinned ________
Can any of know what we would have done.
I like it here on terra firma (Earth) and I know I don't want to leave it.
So, if I would feel that way in Eden I would think I would have been content to be here forever.
Remember: Adam did Not eat until after Eve presented the fruit to Adam.
So, could be Adam deliberately chose to listen to Eve because he did Not want to live without Eve.
Did Adam chose suicide rather than live without Eve over trusting his God ______

I notice you didn't answer my question. If you were in the place of Adam and Eve would you have followed the rules that God set?

David Davidovich · Apr 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
And the serpent was the only one that did not lie in the story. Yet somehow the serpent "deceived Eve".

Interesting point.

Subduction Zone · Apr 19, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
Eve was deceived by the BIG lie Satan told her at Genesis 3:4 that she would Not die.
Whereas, Adam was Not deceived 1 Timothy 2:14.

Context matters. God had said "On that day you will die". That was the claim that the serpent (the Satan assumption came later) was responding to. And Eve ate and did not die. In fact God knew that they could still live forever in the myth since they had not eaten of the Tree of Life. Skipping forward to 3:22 and beyond:

" 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

David Davidovich · Apr 19, 2022

metis said:
Well, laugh if you want, but it does show that at least some in Israel prior to the writing of Genesis knew of the Babylonian narrative. Maybe study instead of laughing at someone and I think you'll probably get much further ahead.

I wasn't laughing. I thought that the part of your comment that I quoted summed up a lot of the points in this thread about how the Noah flood story was a copied ancient myth. Also, I tried to find an internet image of a smiley face with a wink and thumbs up, but I failed to figure out how to shrink it to a reasonable size.

metis said:
BTW, laughing at someone in a sarcastic manner really isn't compatible with Christ's teachings, but then you're a Trump supporter if I remember correctly.

Really???

You had to use a comeback like that? Also, please don't be so touchy. Plus, I don't know where you got the idea that I was a Trump supporter.

David Davidovich · Apr 19, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
.... and because of Jesus' ransom price (Matthew 20:28) we find the return of the ' tree of life ' - Revelation 22:2,14
The ' tree of life ' for the humble meek people who will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5; Psalms 37:9-11

You sure do have an affinity for deflecting and redirecting. However, I have good news for you. I started a new thread in another forum, which seems like it has a lot of the elements that you like to talk about. Please join in.

click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

David Davidovich · Apr 19, 2022

URAVIP2ME said:
I remember when I was about age 20 there was a local ice cream farm store.
As I ate the delicious ice cream it was so fresh tasting as if it was just made directly from the cow.
A silly thought entered my head that I wondered if Adam could have tasted this would he have sinned ________
Can any of know what we would have done.

Sure. We would have done the exact same thing as Adam and Eve did because they were created perfect... They were a perfect creation of God where they couldn't have been any better. Click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

URAVIP2ME said:
I like it here on terra firma (Earth) and I know I don't want to leave it.
So, if I would feel that way in Eden I would think I would have been content to be here forever.

No you wouldn't of have... Not if you were encountered with the same circumstances that Adam and Eve were encountered with. Please click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

URAVIP2ME said:
Remember: Adam did Not eat until after Eve presented the fruit to Adam.
So, could be Adam deliberately chose to listen to Eve because he did Not want to live without Eve.
Did Adam chose suicide rather than live without Eve over trusting his God ______

So, are you saying that Eve was the one who made the silly decision that she wasn't content in paradise? And that Adam's decision was based upon his desire not to want to live without Eve? Please click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

David Davidovich · Apr 19, 2022

Subduction Zone said:
Context matters. God had said "On that day you will die". That was the claim that the serpent (the Satan assumption came later) was responding to. And Eve ate and did not die. In fact God knew that they could still live forever in the myth since they had not eaten of the Tree of Life. Skipping forward to 3:22 and beyond:

" 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

Subduction Zone, I already asked URAVIP2ME that question. However, I've noticed that he won't answer questions that he doesn't like.

Subduction Zone · Apr 19, 2022

David Davidovich said:
Subduction Zone, I already asked URAVIP2ME that question. However, I've noticed that he won't answer questions that he doesn't like.

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The ostrich defense. So effective

It is inconvenient when their holy book refutes their own claims. Often cognitive dissonance raises its head and a poster will disappear for a while and pretend that nothing happened when they came back.

YoursTrue · Apr 19, 2022

Aupmanyav said:
Plants, lions, gorillas do not have such useless thoughts like Gods and religions. Their are practical - 'how much that deer weighs', 'that is a well fermented fruit, will eat that and play with the ladies of the harem', etc.

ok, so that's how you size up humans vs. animals. Not me. I don't see humans in the same category of recognition (i.e. thought process) as gorillas, snakes, etc. Although it is true -- that humans can act like them.

YoursTrue · Apr 19, 2022

Aupmanyav said:
Plants, lions, gorillas do not have such useless thoughts like Gods and religions. Their are practical - 'how much that deer weighs', 'that is a well fermented fruit, will eat that and play with the ladies of the harem', etc.

There are a few other differences also.

Hey, but that's how you think, and that's the way it goes, as my aunt (not a believer in God) says.

YoursTrue · Apr 19, 2022

@metis, I appreciate that you read the Bible regularly. I have been reading chapters in 1 Samuel, and find some points very interesting. So much to learn! There are places mentioned in reference to David and Saul that are not necessarily recognized as to meaning or location today, but that does not mean they were not there (as recounted). Although scholars do try to place them logically. (Naioth, for instance) And there are so many mentions of places that we know where they are, or were. But, as I said, there are accounts of places of which the exact locations are not known today, but when I look at the detail I don't doubt the writer knew what he was talking about.

YoursTrue · Apr 19, 2022

David Davidovich said:
Nor tigers and bears.

yeahhhh....

YoursTrue · Apr 19, 2022

David Davidovich said:
Sure. We would have done the exact same thing as Adam and Eve did because they were created perfect... They were a perfect creation of God where they couldn't have been any better. Click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

No you wouldn't of have... Not if you were encountered with the same circumstances that Adam and Eve were encountered with. Please click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

So, are you saying that Eve was the one who made the silly decision that she wasn't content in paradise? And that Adam's decision was based upon his desire not to want to live without Eve? Please click here: Love and Rebellion | Religious Forums

I am pretty sure you are speaking in general about what someone would do or would not do. Anyway, either way, whether you were or were not, it is clear that God gave Adam and Eve free choice as to whether they would listen to God in the form of obeying (respecting) Him. It takes a while to understand I think that respect and obey can have different modules to it. So they had to love both God and the life He gave them. Obviously Adam rebelled because he was upset that Eve was going to die. And so he figured he'd hold it against God by killing himself as well.

metis · Apr 20, 2022

David Davidovich said:
I wasn't laughing. I thought that the part of your comment that I quoted summed up a lot of the points in this thread about how the Noah flood story was a copied ancient myth. Also, I tried to find an internet image of a smiley face with a wink and thumbs up, but I failed to figure out how to shrink it to a reasonable size.

Really??? You had to use a comeback like that? Also, please don't be so touchy. Plus, I don't know where you got the idea that I was a Trump supporter.

Sorry for both if I misread you. Please forgive me for this blunder as I now know I conflated you with someone else.

Aupmanyav · Apr 20, 2022

YoursTrue said:
ok, so that's how you size up humans vs. animals. Not me. I don't see humans in the same category of recognition (i.e. thought process) as gorillas, snakes, etc. Although it is true -- that humans can act like them.

Perhaps it is simple. Humans have the capacity to lie, fake things. Animals are more honest.

YoursTrue · Apr 20, 2022

Aupmanyav said:
Perhaps it is simple. Humans have the capacity to lie, fake things. Animals are more honest.

Ever wonder why?

URAVIP2ME · Apr 20, 2022

Audie said:
Basically, the words can mean almost anything?

Yes, even a lot of people even think that God's Kingdom means: Heaven. (Kingdom as another word for Heaven)
Even though Jesus instructed to pray for 'God's Kingdom to come' (thy kingdom come....) and Jesus did Not say to pray to be 'taken away' to the kingdom, nor ask to be 'taken up' to the kingdom, but for the kingdom to come and God's will (His purpose) be done right here on Earth as it is done in Heaven.
So, we aren't instructed to ask for Heaven to come to Earth, but for heavenly conditions to come to Earth.

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