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Does God use a channel ?

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
That is nothing short of being sheer nonsense as taking advantage of a child is not "love" with the exception of those that have a morally twisted mind.

BTW, there are 613 Commandments. 613 commandments - Wikipedia

I thought that you blocked me, yet here you are, trying to get the last word.

Yeshua listed the Commandments which you must keep to enter into life (Matthew 19:16-20). I don't remember there being 613 of them. As for who have a "morally twisted mind", that would be in the subjective mind of those with or without twisted minds.

It did, yes, as an act of penance. However, it was too self-serving and the Church dropped it.

Since when did the Catholic church drop the book of indulgences? "The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New Saint Peter’s Basilica" by Ginny Justice (rollins.edu) Isn't one doing works in respect to that book, which includes giving from what one has (his goods) to his brother (such as to a priest) to save them from the consequences of their sin? If it was "self-serving" then, why is it not now? Manual of Indulgences (d2y1pz2y630308.cloudfront.net) I don't know, I think Luther had more than one beef with the Catholic church. I mean, I think the guy as a priest, was a little heavy into women (nuns), drink and food, but he apparently had an effect on society, and indulgences, then and now, seem a bit off. Plus, healing by the Spirit, was supposed to be a component, something the Catholic church seems to have failed in. It seems they have the bad fruit, but none of the good fruit. (Matthew 7:13-23).
 
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Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Hi,

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

My question is, is that a scriptural teaching ?
I am aware that in the past God (Jehovah) used prophets to instruct people of his will and convey his thoughts, but does he still do that today, or on the other hand is (for Christians) Jesus Christ our only teacher ?

Your comments are appriciated.

If a hurricane is going to strike Florida, how would you know?
First is the US government which has the resources to detect the hurricane with accuracy. If the US government has supernatural power then it should keep each individual citizen informed of the potential impact. Since the US government doesn't have such a supernatural power it has to employ the media to broadcast the news, to all the states besides Florida. You get to the info by faith, that is, the trust of the media as unless the US government has supernatural power it won't be able to present evidence to each individual. You need faith in the media to get to such a piece of info.

The media must first identify the legitimate spokesman from the US government as the source of news. By the same token, ancient Israel is chosen as the media of God's information. So the first thing Israel does is to identify the spokesman of God, which is called a prophet. God has all the ability to keep each individual informed of His message. However, due to a covenant requiring humans to be saved by faith, He can't just go out to tell each human about what should be told. He thus needs to convey His message through the chosen media (God's chosen people). The US government can actually designate a certain media as the official channel for government-related news. It can choose CNN as the official channel. So under the circumstance, if CNN fails to do the job, it can designate someone else such as Fox News as the official channel for government announcement. By the same token, when Israel failed to do its job, Christianity thus emerged.

The last but not least factor is, the media should be US-facing, they have the responsibility to broadcast important news to all states of America, not just Indiana or California. Christianity is the only religion with an explicit command and mission to preach (broadcast) the good news to all the nations on earth. Islam doesn't have such a command explicitly, that's why it remained in the middle east for a long time. It doesn't preach anyway, it rather wars with those who don't believe. Similarly, Hinduism only remains in India. Other smaller religions can hardly be human-facing.
 

Neuropteron

Active Member
If a hurricane is going to strike Florida, how would you know?
First is the US government which has the resources to detect the hurricane with accuracy.

Hi,

we certainly are appriciative of any assistance the governments can supply when we require it.
Hurricanes are a mundane and social issue not a religious one.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
More correctly would be if you had said:
"I believe sometimes God likes to do it that way whether I like it or not.", don't you think?

I always speak for myself,
I don't know how it would be for you

I believe I have no problem with it provided the medium is authentic and even if it is not I listen closely because sometimes even the devil has useful information when he isn't lying.

I know the response was to you but I wasn't really using a personal you but a more general you. As for a personal you although you have no choice determining how God speaks you do get to listen your own way. And that is a general you also.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
In Islam, Allah finalized the last message to mankind and no other messenger or prophet will bring anything else. In Islam, those who claim that God speaks to them, that one is a prophet, that there are more messages out there are totally false. In Islam, there is no other God worthy of worship except your Creator and those who say they hear God or attribute things unto God etc, are liars.

I believe it does not say that and if it did it would invalidate the Qu'ran. So the reality is that someone is falsely interpreting it that way.

I believe that is not the case in the Bible either in the OT or NT.

I believe that you are calling me a liar and I always speak the truth. I hear God speak to me and I also allow Him to speak through me on RF. However that is true of the Apostle Paul as well and he never considered himself a prophet. A prophet is one who tells the future as God tells it. In Christianity that is a gift of the Paraclete that not everyone has.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I believe I have no problem with it provided the medium is authentic and even if it is not I listen closely because sometimes even the devil has useful information when he isn't lying.
God can use anyone and anything to convey a message to me. Sometimes, God speaks to me through an animal or a tree or a child.

The moment someone claims "I am a medium and God speaks through me, and wants to convey this message to you, using me as a medium" that's when I trust the message the least (too much ego involved).
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I know the response was to you but I wasn't really using a personal you but a more general you. As for a personal you although you have no choice determining how God speaks you do get to listen your own way. And that is a general you also.
"God" loves to speak to us.

This I can use, to "determine" how God speaks to me.

When God started speaking to me, I had quite a few trust issues, and I wanted to be sure the message was from God and not "monkey mind".

So, I decided that it should contain the name of God, and that's what happened. Still I needed more proof, so I "told" God "it should be a message of 9 words exactly". God did it. I made up a few more criteria, and finally I was convinced the voice was indeed from "God". Still I use common sense to decide what to do with the message.

If I would decide to go to other mediums for my messages, chances are that God stops speaking to me directly. Furthermore the message is as pure as the receiver, hence I rather stick to my own contact
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
God can use anyone and anything to convey a message to me. Sometimes, God speaks to me through an animal or a tree or a child.

The moment someone claims "I am a medium and God speaks through me, and wants to convey this message to you, using me as a medium" that's when I trust the message the least (too much ego involved).
There's a commentary in Judaism that basically says much the same, namely that even if a person knew nothing of religion, that (s)he could still perceive [a] God(s) through nature itself. Baruch Spinoza often used "Nature" as an alternative name for God, and Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
There's a commentary in Judaism that basically says much the same, namely that even if a person knew nothing of religion, that (s)he could still perceive [a] God(s) through nature itself..
Very true. And indeed it's all about "perception"

Baruch Spinoza often used "Nature" as an alternative name for God, and Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God".
Sai Baba many times told us that Einstein was a very Spiritual soul, so that makes sense reading your words
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sai Baba many times told us that Einstein was a very Spiritual soul, so that makes sense reading your words
You're the first person who ever told me I make sense!!! Wow, wait until I tell me wife about this! :)
 

MyM

Well-Known Member
I believe it does not say that and if it did it would invalidate the Qu'ran. So the reality is that someone is falsely interpreting it that way.

I believe that is not the case in the Bible either in the OT or NT.

I believe that you are calling me a liar and I always speak the truth. I hear God speak to me and I also allow Him to speak through me on RF. However that is true of the Apostle Paul as well and he never considered himself a prophet. A prophet is one who tells the future as God tells it. In Christianity that is a gift of the Paraclete that not everyone has.

What would invalidate the Quran? Do you know and understand the Quran? Show me or explain to me what you mean please.

Notice I said, IN ISLAM. Anyone can pray to Allah. That is what one should do. You literally hear God speak to you????? You actually receive revelation?
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Hi,

Some religion claim that God uses their leaders as a channel by which information is passed on from Him to these men/women (for instance JW's).

My question is, is that a scriptural teaching ?
I am aware that in the past God (Jehovah) used prophets to instruct people of his will and convey his thoughts, but does he still do that today, or on the other hand is (for Christians) Jesus Christ our only teacher ?

Your comments are appriciated.
The JW's do not see that there are only 12 Apostles not 13 . Paul supports a widow losing her house and the property being given to a male relative of the dead husband.
Jesus supports the widow and her orphans keeping their house so the widow does not lose rights of inheritance and the children have a roof over their head..
This is what Jesus thinks of Paul,
Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."
Even after lying saying he is an Apostle, Paul still claims he is a "Pharisee, son of a Pharisee" and will not tell the Jewish temple he is a Christian or an Apostle. That is because Paul lied when he said he converted. Paul supports the temple beliefs not what Jesus taught.

Paul taught that a wife should remain silent and not teach her husband and should only learn religion from her husband.
That is the exact opposite to what Jesus taught, as Jesus wanted women to teach men so they can be saved also.
1 Peter chapter 3
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

Wives should teach with love in subjection of the vow of marriage to be the helpmate to her husband so should be in fear of his losing his salvation by not obeying the words of God. If he does not learn the true words of God taught by Jesus and Peter he will continue in disobedience. So by kind conversation with her husband he is to learn what Jesus taught the wife.

So most people that call themselves Christian do not listen to Jesus, they listen to Pharisee Paul so deny Father and Son because Jesus Christ said he is not a son of Abraham/David but Paul lies saying that Jesus is. There are 2 false Apostles in the Bible and both are found in the house of Judas with the church robber Ananias, the house of the damned.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
It has always been the way of God to use a spokesperson.

God chose certain individuals to express his will to others. All the way back in the days before Noah we see certain individuals who were used to speak Gods word to the people. Enoch was one of the first prophets mentioned, he proclaimed a message to the people of Noahs day. Then through Noah God informed them of the coming deluge.

Later through Moses he led the children of Israel and gave them Gods laws and instructions. And this method of reaching out to mankind continued for thousands of years. The apostle Paul wrote at Heb 1:1 “God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things.”

Jesus as a spokesperson also appointed his apostles to be his spokesmen and to relay the message of the Kingdom to mankind and hence we have the christian scriptures....the written testimony and instructions handed down by the Apostles of Jesus.
And Jesus words show that someone would be used as a channel when foretelling the events of the 'last days' that were to come Matt 24:45
Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?+ 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so!+ 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.

Now the real question is who is the one appointed today?

Jesus words show that the one appointed would need to fulfill some criteria.
1. They would need to be 'ready' for Christs return. Vs43
“But know one thing: If the householder had known in what watch* the thief was coming,+ he would have kept awake and not allowed his house to be broken into.+ 44 On this account, you too prove yourselves ready,+ because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it.


In Matt 24 Notice an important verse, For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
People should realize there are 4 Christs believed in, near the end of days.
1. The real Christ Jesus, Son of God that refuses to kill or lead an army, telling people to learn to have mercy and not sacrifice so he is not killed.
This Christ requires people to be water baptized to be saved, does not support Abraham, and is the Shepherd that taught against war.
2. The Jewish Christ, a son of David, Son of Man that supports Abraham, not called Jesus that will lead an army in the final war.
This Christ does not believe in water baptism but does believe in a red cow sacrifice to his Lord God .
3. The Pauline Christ, son of David/Abraham, Son of Man, called Jesus that will lead an army in the final war.
This Christ believes someone must kill him for them to be saved because he is not a Shepherd, he is a slaughtered Lamb.
4, The Muslim Jesus Christ, a prophet, not a Son of God, but a Son of Man that believes Jesus did not die on a cross, that will lead an army in the final war.
This Christ does not believe in water baptism but does support Abraham.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
The JW's do not see that there are only 12 Apostles not 13 . Paul supports a widow losing her house and the property being given to a male relative of the dead husband.
Jesus supports the widow and her orphans keeping their house so the widow does not lose rights of inheritance and the children have a roof over their head..
This is what Jesus thinks of Paul,
Matthew 23:14
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."
Even after lying saying he is an Apostle, Paul still claims he is a "Pharisee, son of a Pharisee" and will not tell the Jewish temple he is a Christian or an Apostle. That is because Paul lied when he said he converted. Paul supports the temple beliefs not what Jesus taught.

Paul taught that a wife should remain silent and not teach her husband and should only learn religion from her husband.
That is the exact opposite to what Jesus taught, as Jesus wanted women to teach men so they can be saved also.
1 Peter chapter 3
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

Wives should teach with love in subjection of the vow of marriage to be the helpmate to her husband so should be in fear of his losing his salvation by not obeying the words of God. If he does not learn the true words of God taught by Jesus and Peter he will continue in disobedience. So by kind conversation with her husband he is to learn what Jesus taught the wife.

So most people that call themselves Christian do not listen to Jesus, they listen to Pharisee Paul so deny Father and Son because Jesus Christ said he is not a son of Abraham/David but Paul lies saying that Jesus is. There are 2 false Apostles in the Bible and both are found in the house of Judas with the church robber Ananias, the house of the damned.
Actually, I find that your viewpoint is not the common understanding.

Can you give a scripture reference to the loosing of the house?

Paul statement about women teaching was in reference to church services in as much as custom had women on one side and men on the other creating disorder in the service with other issues too. Asking a question would be done appropriately at home ! 1 Cor 14:35. (Women, at that time, had never learned they way men had).

Have no idea where you get that one would loose their salvation in 1 Peter

Later, he had no problem with women teaching,

Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Romans 16:3," Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus."

"And I urge you also, true companion, help those women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life." Philippians 4:3

I think Jesus would have a problem with your traditions of man that would make God's word of none effect
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Actually, I find that your viewpoint is not the common understanding.

Can you give a scripture reference to the loosing of the house?

Paul statement about women teaching was in reference to church services in as much as custom had women on one side and men on the other creating disorder in the service with other issues too. Asking a question would be done appropriately at home ! 1 Cor 14:35. (Women, at that time, had never learned they way men had).

Have no idea where you get that one would loose their salvation in 1 Peter

Later, he had no problem with women teaching,

Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

Romans 16:3," Greet Priscilla and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus."

"And I urge you also, true companion, help those women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life." Philippians 4:3

I think Jesus would have a problem with your traditions of man that would make God's word of none effect

What do you think "devouring" a house is? It means overcoming it, to get control of it away from the wife. Jesus supports equal inheritance rights for women but Paul is in opposition and wants only men to own property so denies women the right to own their house when the husband dies.

Paul supports women in his inferior church that believe they do not have the same rights as a man as they support PAUL'S gospel which is NOT the gospel of Jesus. Even today people believe that Pharisee liar and support Paul's belief in inequality of people, because they do not understand Jesus allows only 12 Apostles and Matthias is the last one.

Pharisee Paul preaches in the Jewish synagogue but does he preach as an Apostle of Jesus? NO, No, No because when Paul is in the synagogue, Paul preaches as a Pharisee, son of a Pharisee supporting Pharisee/Jewish beliefs.
Acts 23:6
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question."
Does Paul tell them the Christian belief in resurrection? Absolutely not, Paul supports Jewish beliefs not the words of Jesus.

Paul was not at the physical ascension of Jesus so does not believe flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus left Earth in a flesh and blood body and he did ascend to the kingdom of God. Paul does not believe it as Paul thinks only spirit, not flesh, can be resurrected from the dead.

Paul still believes only JEWS will be saved in the book of Life based on inequality and killing people that disagree with them. Paul grafts people, even women into being false Jews. They are grafted into the LOST because not only will the Lost Jews reject them, Jesus Christ will say he does not know them.
NOTE... Paul thinks Jesus is a son of David conceived by fornication and that is why Jewish, Hebrew of Hebrews, Paul calls Jesus, "Christ".

Jesus denies the Christ has any connection with Abraham/David but Paul refuses to believe Jesus. Paul supports Jewish belief in blood sacrifice for sin over water baptism for sin as Jesus and John taught and "royal" bloodline from David/Abraham instead of the teaching of Jesus of Divine only begotten Christ Jesus that has NO DNA from David or Abraham in him.
 
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Muffled

Jesus in me
God can use anyone and anything to convey a message to me. Sometimes, God speaks to me through an animal or a tree or a child.

The moment someone claims "I am a medium and God speaks through me, and wants to convey this message to you, using me as a medium" that's when I trust the message the least (too much ego involved).

I believe for me it is less ego since I can't take credit for it. Sometimes I can't even figure out what He is saying.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
What do you think "devouring" a house is? It means overcoming it, to get control of it away from the wife. Jesus supports equal inheritance rights for women but Paul is in opposition and wants only men to own property so denies women the right to own their house when the husband dies.

No... Paul never supported that (At least you have to support it with more than just you saying so)

Paul supports women in his inferior church that believe they do not have the same rights as a man as they support PAUL'S gospel which is NOT the gospel of Jesus. Even today people believe that Pharisee liar and support Paul's belief in inequality of people, because they do not understand Jesus allows only 12 Apostles and Matthias is the last one.
No, as Paul said:

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sounds pretty equal to me.

Where did Jesus say that he would only have 12 Apostles? Apparently the Holy Spirit doesn't agree with you:

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

So the Greek word apostle is used to describe the original 12, another group of 70, plus Matthias and Paul — and then 11 others:

  1. Apollos (see 1 Corinthians 4:6-13)
  2. Epaphroditus (see Philippians 2:25; “messenger” is apostolos in the Greek)
  3. James, the Lord’s brother (see Galatians 1:19)
  4. Barnabas (see Acts 14:4,14; 1 Corinthians 9:5,6)
  5. Andronicus (see Romans 16:7)
  6. Junia (see Romans 16:7)
  7. Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:23; “messenger” is apostolos in the Greek)
  8. An unnamed brother with Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:18,23)
  9. Another unnamed brother with Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:22,23)
  10. Timothy (see 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6)
  11. Silas (see 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6)

Maybe you mean there were only 12 "original" apostles (not counting Jesus of course)



Pharisee Paul preaches in the Jewish synagogue but does he preach as an Apostle of Jesus? NO, No, No because when Paul is in the synagogue, Paul preaches as a Pharisee, son of a Pharisee supporting Pharisee/Jewish beliefs.
Acts 23:6
But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question."
Does Paul tell them the Christian belief in resurrection? Absolutely not, Paul supports Jewish beliefs not the words of Jesus.

Paul was not at the physical ascension of Jesus so does not believe flesh and blood can inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus left Earth in a flesh and blood body and he did ascend to the kingdom of God. Paul does not believe it as Paul thinks only spirit, not flesh, can be resurrected from the dead.

Paul still believes only JEWS will be saved in the book of Life based on inequality and killing people that disagree with them. Paul grafts people, even women into being false Jews. They are grafted into the LOST because not only will the Lost Jews reject them, Jesus Christ will say he does not know them.
NOTE... Paul thinks Jesus is a son of David conceived by fornication and that is why Jewish, Hebrew of Hebrews, Paul calls Jesus, "Christ".

Jesus denies the Christ has any connection with Abraham/David but Paul refuses to believe Jesus. Paul supports Jewish belief in blood sacrifice for sin over water baptism for sin as Jesus and John taught and "royal" bloodline from David/Abraham instead of the teaching of Jesus of Divine only begotten Christ Jesus that has NO DNA from David or Abraham in him.

I think, with the first three errors, it will be redundant to continue on with others.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
No... Paul never supported that (At least you have to support it with more than just you saying so)


No, as Paul said:
NO, You listen to a Pharisee that named himself Apostle Paul, a man that killed followers of Jesus and teaches Jesus should die. In John 8, Jesus said those that seek to kill him do not love God, and do not love Jesus and are not the people of God. That is specific and applies to every person in the world that wants Jesus to die. God did not want Jesus to die on a stake/cross. Jesus was to walk and preach to save life and as a self professed prophet of the future, Jesus should never have been killed in Jerusalem. Love of God, righteousness and truth would have been "perfected" if people had ACCEPTED the righteous court judgement that Jesus was innocent and was to be set free.

Jesus specifically said Pharisees are liars. If more than 12 Apostles were allowed by Jesus then not just Matthais would have been selected but also the righteous disciple
Barsabbas (also called Justus and Joseph) would have been selected as an Apostle. Jesus said 12 thrones in heaven for Apostles. Jesus does not want anyone to be deceived by a lying Pharisee. And when Paul says "all are one in Christ" , he is not referencing the Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Paul references the same Christ , bloodline of David, that Paul supports, not the true Jesus Christ that rejects any bloodline connection with the adulterous killer David.
Paul said," Abraham is the father of us all" and Jesus said, "call no man father."

1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
Understand the difference between the "Jesus Christ" Paul exalts and the true Jesus Christ, Son of God that is not a "son of David" as Paul claims by lying to exalt
both Abraham and David and Paul since Paul claims to be "a son of Abraham".

Jesus called sons of Abraham, "vipers" and Jesus did not say except Paul. Paul was alive when Jesus was alive and opposed what Jesus taught. Paul continued to preach the exact same doctrine Paul supported in the temple; the doctrine that Jesus opposed, proving Paul never did convert. Paul just stole the name of Jesus to exalt Paul's own ideas of what doctrine a Jewish "Christ" should teach. That is doctrine Paul learned from his Pharisee father. Do not forget that Jesus told us that men would come in his name, "Jesus Christ" and they are not Jesus! One of those is the fake Jesus Christ that Paul invented to support what Paul wants to teach.




Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sounds pretty equal to me.

Where did Jesus say that he would only have 12 Apostles? Apparently the Holy Spirit doesn't agree with you:

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

So the Greek word apostle is used to describe the original 12, another group of 70, plus Matthias and Paul — and then 11 others:

  1. Apollos (see 1 Corinthians 4:6-13)
  2. Epaphroditus (see Philippians 2:25; “messenger” is apostolos in the Greek)
  3. James, the Lord’s brother (see Galatians 1:19)
  4. Barnabas (see Acts 14:4,14; 1 Corinthians 9:5,6)
  5. Andronicus (see Romans 16:7)
  6. Junia (see Romans 16:7)
  7. Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:23; “messenger” is apostolos in the Greek)
  8. An unnamed brother with Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:18,23)
  9. Another unnamed brother with Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:22,23)
  10. Timothy (see 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6)
  11. Silas (see 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6)

Maybe you mean there were only 12 "original" apostles (not counting Jesus of course)





I think, with the first three errors, it will be redundant to continue on with others.
No... Paul never supported that (At least you have to support it with more than just you saying so)


No, as Paul said:

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Sounds pretty equal to me.

Where did Jesus say that he would only have 12 Apostles? Apparently the Holy Spirit doesn't agree with you:

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

So the Greek word apostle is used to describe the original 12, another group of 70, plus Matthias and Paul — and then 11 others:

  1. Apollos (see 1 Corinthians 4:6-13)
  2. Epaphroditus (see Philippians 2:25; “messenger” is apostolos in the Greek)
  3. James, the Lord’s brother (see Galatians 1:19)
  4. Barnabas (see Acts 14:4,14; 1 Corinthians 9:5,6)
  5. Andronicus (see Romans 16:7)
  6. Junia (see Romans 16:7)
  7. Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:23; “messenger” is apostolos in the Greek)
  8. An unnamed brother with Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:18,23)
  9. Another unnamed brother with Titus (see 2 Corinthians 8:22,23)
  10. Timothy (see 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6)
  11. Silas (see 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6)

Maybe you mean there were only 12 "original" apostles (not counting Jesus of course)





I think, with the first three errors, it will be redundant to continue on with others.
 

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Do not quote a lying Pharisee to support what you think the doctrine of Jesus is. Paul had no concept of what doctrine Jesus taught as Paul taught Paul's ideas of
religion in the desert for 3 years even telling us Paul refused to go to Jerusalem to receive holy spirit first which was a requirement by Jesus to do before preaching.
The first thing Paul did as Paul went out to preach was to disobey Jesus and the Holy Spirit! Paul violates everything Jesus taught!
After returning to Jerusalem Paul realized that people had been converted by the true Apostles and Jesus so Paul needed to know what Jesus actually did say. Then if Paul disagreed with what the real Apostles told him, Paul rejected their doctrine and continued to preach Paul's own Jewish doctrine.
Quote from the real Apostles to support your beliefs, because only they are necessary for salvation.
There are 2 false Apostles in the Bible and the lying viper son of Abraham, Paul is one of them and that is why after lying saying Jesus selected him in the desert, you find blind to truth Paul in the house of Judas only wanting to be linked with Jesus for monetary profit as a profession.
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;"

Jesus is not an Apostle! Jesus is the leader, the Shepherd that 12 Apostles follow. Jesus never called teaching a profession! That is only Paul's concept and is not the understanding that comes with Holy Spirit. Receive truth free and share truth free. Telling the truth is not a profession to make money.
The murderer Saul changed his name to Apostle Paul and people believe Saul/Paul even though he is a Pharisee liar, son of a Pharisee liar that opposes what Jesus taught.

John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
 

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Other Apostles? NOTE the scriptures you give that state that are all Paul's ideas and his chapters and supporters of Paul believe in a lying Pharisee that wants an innocent man dead for opposing his beliefs instead of the beloved Son of God that taught water baptism cleanses sin making one "whole with
no other need for forgiveness of past sin, not the
death of corruption of flesh taught by Jewish tradition.1 Peter 1:18
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;"
Understand that Peter is teaching against the idea that people can buy an animal and have it killed to remove sin.
Killing an innocent life claiming transposition of sin is nothing but vain conversation, meaningless because it does nothing but it is taught it removes sin by tradition
by the followers of Abraham.
 
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