Protestants don't know their Bible!

pearl said:

The young woman: Hebrew ‘almah designates a young woman of marriageable age without specific reference to virginity.
The Septuagint translated the Hebrew term as parthenos, which normally does mean virgin, and this translation underlies MT I:23 Emmanuel: the name means “with us is God.” Since for the Christian the incarnation is the ultimate expression of God’s willingness to “be with us,” it is understandable that this text was interpreted to refer to the birth of Christ. It is this translation most often used by the Apostles and the Gospel authors.

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The original reference of Matthew is Isaiah 7:14 from the Jewish perspective. "Christianity" was an invention of Paul's later Gentile church.

pearl said:

Nice try but, the 'beast' is not the Church, it is the Roman empire under which Christians were persecuted.

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The "beast" of Revelation 13:3, refers to the 5th head of the beast, Caesar, but the "beast with two horns like a lamb" refers to the 7th head of the beast, which was Constantine, upon whom the daughter of Babylon (Revelation 17:3-7) sits. The two horns like a lamb, are the two Christ like shepherds (Zechariah 11), Peter and Paul. Peter being a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:19), and Paul trying to negate the covenant made with the peoples through Abraham (Zechariah 11:10). As for Yeshua, he was an anointed, just as the kings, prophets, judges, and high priest of Israel, were anointed with the Spirit of God. We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, of which the pope is one of the 10 horns. Babylon, the woman sitting on the beast, is destined to fall (Revelation 18:2). According to Isaiah 22:25, all hanging onto her prominent daughter, the Roman church, will be "cut off",

pearl said:

The concept of Mary's perpetual virginity is a product of 'The Protoevangelium of James, basically a work of fiction.

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Most of the dogma of the "Christian" church is "fiction", although "Photoevangelium" was supposedly written in 150 A.D. it apparently wasn't written by James, who supposedly died in 62 A.D.

Follower7 said:

Does the Bible refer to the Rosary? The answer is no! The concept of praying the Rosary, a string of beads, is never mentioned in Scripture because it is a human invention. It is not Biblical and it is not of God. The Roman Catholics defend the “prayer of the Rosary” by showing that some phrases can be found in the Bible, but most of the “Hail Mary” prayer and “Hail Holy Queen” prayer cannot be found in the Bible. In fact, parts of the prayers are not only unbiblical; they are absolutely heretical. You cannot have a rational discourse with a catholic. It's like beating your head against a rock. They are so deceived by their church through false doctrine & twisted scripture & things not of God that they are convinced are true, that they cannot accept the real truth. Jesus is the truth. Anything else is a lie & of the devil. To even respond to their assertions is a complete waste of time. The multitudes of sins that the Catholic Church have committed against God & His Son & people are beyond appalling. Their time is coming. The wrath of God abides on their heads. Peace to all.

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I don't know, Scripture mentions and decries rote, of which the Rosary is the epitome of rote. (Isaiah 29:13) By condemning Catholics, the Protestants are condemning themselves, for they both follow the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine. Yeshua said you are first to take the log out of your own eye before taking the splinter out of the eye of your brother. You say "Jesus is the truth", but then who is "Jesus" According to Revelation 19:13, the truth is the "Word of God", which is what you think was nailed to a cross, by way of the testimony of the false prophet Paul. It seems the blind are trying to lead the blind, whereas they both seem mired in a pit, and destined for the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:39-42).

lostwanderingsoul said:

Peotestants do have a priesthood. Jesus is the only high priest between the people and God. Jesus never prayed the rosary and never made the sign of the cross. A church that does those things is making its own rules and not following Jesus.

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Jesus only started one Church.

2ndpillar said:

I don't know, Scripture mentions and decries rote, of which the Rosary is the epitome of rote. (Isaiah 29:13) By condemning Catholics, the Protestants are condemning themselves, for they both follow the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine. Yeshua said you are first to take the log out of your own eye before taking the splinter out of the eye of your brother. You say "Jesus is the truth", but then who is "Jesus" According to Revelation 19:13, the truth is the "Word of God", which is what you think was nailed to a cross, by way of the testimony of the false prophet Paul. It seems the blind are trying to lead the blind, whereas they both seem mired in a pit, and destined for the "furnace of fire" (Matthew 13:39-42).

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The Protestants were started by a German priest called Martin Luther. Luther never intended to cause a revolution, but became angry at the corruption in the Church. To raise money to build churches, priests often encouraged people to give money to the church and in return they would be forgiven for their sins. He wanted the Catholic Church to reform but they rejected him. Luther got more radical and called for a new independent church. His ideas were:

• He rejected the idea that that priests and clerics were needed to stand inbetween the believers and God, and instead said that everyone who has been baptised has priesthood.
• He rejected the authority of the Pope. The Catholic Church believes that the Pope acts as a source of divine knowledge, and if The Bible isn't clear on something, the Pope would provide the answer. Luther said that only the Bible was a source of divine knowledge.
• He also rejected the Catholic idea that you needed to do good deeds to be accepted by God and to go to heaven. Luther believed that you only needed faith to be accepted by God.
• He wanted the Bible translated into German so people could understand it. He also encouraged development of Church music.

1) The rosary is a mans idea, not God's. 2) The word rote is found nowhere in the Holy Bible. 3) What religious sect am I responding to???? 4) Over time, the Christian church and faith grew more organized. In 313 AD, the Emperor Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, which accepted Christianity: 10 years later, it had become the official religion of the Roman Empire. 5). Jesus is the word of God made flesh by God. 6) Paul was not a prophet, nor did he ever claim to be, he was an Apostle. I was not condemning catholics, I was stating truth about the Roman Catholic Church. It's history, read it. 7) Jesus is the Son of God. Am I speaking to a muslim? We are not going to have a discourse due to the overwhelming differences in our beliefs.

Trolls, gotta love'm, can't hate'm. Why can't people stay on topic???? The original post was: Protestants don't know their Bible! (Exclamation Point? Really), the adults must have left the room.

pearl said:

Its better to know the truth before one speaks.

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Referencing the Roman Catholic Church's practice of burning incense as pagan has nothing to do with Judaism. Jews are not pagans. You can read all about the sins of the Roman Catholic Church over their illustrious tenure on Google. They are pagans. As far as truth goes, prove truthfully that anything I said was untruthful. Also, how many times did Israel backslide? How many prophets of God did your fathers kill, beat up, stone, or force to run for their lives? It is better to know truth before one speaks. It is even better to live the truth. Shalom

2ndpillar said:

The first followers of the message of Yeshua, were Jews, and their bible was the OT, from which Yeshua preached. Your later "Christian" church was the church of Paul, supported by the unknown writer of 2 Peter, who together were the "two horns like a lamb" (Christ like) (Revelation 13:11) who were to "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). The present NT canon was not available in its present form, a combination of the message of the devil and the message of the son of man (Matthew 13:39-42) until the era of the "beast with two horns like a lamb", Constantine, who was to "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Revelation 13:14). The Catholic church was called the "whore of Babylon" by the Catholic cleric Luther. Who better to point out the foibles of the Catholic church than a card carrying Catholic. As 1 John 2:27 points out, the only teacher needed is the "anointing" of the Holy Spirit, and Yeshua points out, you are to call no one "teacher", or "leader". (Matthew 23:8-9). Without the Protestants breaking the power of the Roman Church, you would probably be burned as a witch for not following the Catholic line in every respect. The Protestants may be a daughter of her mother, the Roman church, and have her problems, but she apparently limited her burning of people to Catholics.

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both are on the wrong track. trinity was voted on at nicea 325ad by the same church clergy who delight in chasing altar boys around the rectory I left it for islam in 2002

2ndpillar said:

the "beast with two horns like a lamb" refers to the 7th head of the beast, which was Constantine

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Sure about that?

What do the two horns of the beast in Revelation 13 represent? “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon” (Revelation 13:11).
The Bible states that the beast arises “out of the earth” instead of out of the water as did the other nations mentioned in Daniel and Revelation. Revelation shows that water symbolizes areas of the world that have a large population “The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15). Therefore, the earth represents the opposite. So this means that this new nation would arise in an area of the world that had been unpopulated before the late 1700s.

The papal captivity (verse 10) happened in 1798, and the new power (verse 11) was seen emerging at that time. The United States announced its independence in 1776 and was recognized as a world power by 1798. Therefore, the USA is identified as the second beast of Revelation 13.

Now after pointing out the beast let’s identify the horns. In the Bible, horns represent kingdoms or governments (Daniel 7:24 8:21). In the beast of Revelation 13, the horns represent America’s two governing principles: civil and religious liberty. America established freedom of worship. And the absence of crowns signifies a republican form of government. Lamb-like horns point to an innocent, non-oppressive, and spiritual nation. There is no other nation on earth that fits the description and time frame of the lamb-horned beast, except America.

Sadly, this blessed country will change in the last days and will “speak as a dragon” which means that the United States will force people to worship contrary to conscience or be punished by the Law.

Who the Antichrist little horn really is:

Who is the Antichrist Little Horn?

Every criteria mentioned in the Bible is met by this first beast power. The Bible says that this beast would receive a deadly wound to one of its heads (the Papacy head). The Pope took over Rome and rose to power in 538 A.D. The Bible says he would have power for 1260 years which takes us to 1798. What happened in 1798?

Precisely on time as prophesied in the Bible, in 1798 Napoleon’s General Berthier was sent down to Rome to kidnap the Pope and exiled and imprisoned him in France.
In 1799 the Pope got sick and died. The head of the Catholic Church was dead! This is the deadly head wound. For a while there was no head of the Roman Church but the Bible says the deadly head wound would be healed, and in 1800 they elected a new Pope and the healing of the deadly wound began.
However, this new Pope had no real power until 1929. At that time a man in Italy called Benito Mussolini signed a concordat in Rome giving back to the Pope, not the whole city but about 108 acres called the Vatican and so the deadly wound begins to be healed. As a result, the Bible says, “the whole world wondered after the beast”

Follower7 said:

Sure about that?

What do the two horns of the beast in Revelation 13 represent? “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon” (Revelation 13:11).
The Bible states that the beast arises “out of the earth” instead of out of the water as did the other nations mentioned in Daniel and Revelation. Revelation shows that water symbolizes areas of the world that have a large population “The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues” (Revelation 17:15). Therefore, the earth represents the opposite. So this means that this new nation would arise in an area of the world that had been unpopulated before the late 1700s.

The papal captivity (verse 10) happened in 1798, and the new power (verse 11) was seen emerging at that time. The United States announced its independence in 1776 and was recognized as a world power by 1798. Therefore, the USA is identified as the second beast of Revelation 13.

Now after pointing out the beast let’s identify the horns. In the Bible, horns represent kingdoms or governments (Daniel 7:24 8:21). In the beast of Revelation 13, the horns represent America’s two governing principles: civil and religious liberty. America established freedom of worship. And the absence of crowns signifies a republican form of government. Lamb-like horns point to an innocent, non-oppressive, and spiritual nation. There is no other nation on earth that fits the description and time frame of the lamb-horned beast, except America.

Sadly, this blessed country will change in the last days and will “speak as a dragon” which means that the United States will force people to worship contrary to conscience or be punished by the Law.

Who the Antichrist little horn really is:

Who is the Antichrist Little Horn?

Every criteria mentioned in the Bible is met by this first beast power. The Bible says that this beast would receive a deadly wound to one of its heads (the Papacy head). The Pope took over Rome and rose to power in 538 A.D. The Bible says he would have power for 1260 years which takes us to 1798. What happened in 1798?

Precisely on time as prophesied in the Bible, in 1798 Napoleon’s General Berthier was sent down to Rome to kidnap the Pope and exiled and imprisoned him in France.
In 1799 the Pope got sick and died. The head of the Catholic Church was dead! This is the deadly head wound. For a while there was no head of the Roman Church but the Bible says the deadly head wound would be healed, and in 1800 they elected a new Pope and the healing of the deadly wound began.
However, this new Pope had no real power until 1929. At that time a man in Italy called Benito Mussolini signed a concordat in Rome giving back to the Pope, not the whole city but about 108 acres called the Vatican and so the deadly wound begins to be healed. As a result, the Bible says, “the whole world wondered after the beast”

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Sorry, but no prize. The "beast" (Rev 13), the 5th head of the beast of Rev 17, was Julius Caeser, who was actually slain by the Senate, after subverting the Republic in the form of a dictatorship, and ruled for 42 months, which with his changing of the calendar, was 1335 days, and then was revived as a god by the Senate, and ruled by way of the future Augustus Caesars.. "Christ" was supposedly killed during the reign of the 6th head of the beast, the Augustus Caesars, the head of the beast in which Revelation was written per Revelation 17. As for your "antichrist", the "Christian" Church looks to Daniel 7:25, in which the "another" king (Rev 7:24), was to endeavor to change the law and the times, and his realm, by way of the Roman church, who crowned the emperors of Europe, would stay in power for time, times, and half a time. Constantine changed the Law, in changing the day of rest to the day of the sun, the day of his god, Sol Invictus, and introducing 3 gods instead of one. As for "horns", Revelation 17 refers them to kings/leaders, but in the case of Revelation 13, they are horns like a lamb, which translates, that they are Christlike leaders, who will help the beast "deceive" those who dwell on the earth, and there are two of them. Look to Zechariah 11, and you will find 3 shepherds, including Judas Iscariot (Zech 11:12-13), of which the two taken to "pasture" the "flock (Christian church) to slaughter", were Peter (Zech 11:17), and Paul (Zech 11:10), which is in concert with Hosea 3, in which the son of man, Hosea, was to take 30 pieces of silver to purchase an "adulteress" for "many days", until Israel returns to the Lord God, and "David their king". Although the pope has his small kingdom, with his small army, and deceives the "many", not even Catholics listen to the guy anymore. His worshippers are now limited to elites, such as Obama, and the Progressives, who like Hitler, play him for what they want. His day is coming to an end (Isaiah 22:25). America is found in Scripture, as the nation the river divides, who "sends envoys by sea", and is comprised of tall men without beards. (Isaiah 18) We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, who was and is not during the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17), and Constantine was the 7th head of the beast, "another" following king (Daniel 7:24), who only survives in the form of his failing Roman church.

2ndpillar said:

Sorry, but no prize. The "beast" (Rev 13), the 5th head of the beast of Rev 17, was Julius Caeser, who was actually slain by the Senate, after subverting the Republic in the form of a dictatorship, and ruled for 42 months, which with his changing of the calendar, was 1335 days, and then was revived as a god by the Senate, and ruled by way of the future Augustus Caesars.. "Christ" was supposedly killed during the reign of the 6th head of the beast, the Augustus Caesars, the head of the beast in which Revelation was written per Revelation 17. As for your "antichrist", the "Christian" Church looks to Daniel 7:25, in which the "another" king (Rev 7:24), was to endeavor to change the law and the times, and his realm, by way of the Roman church, who crowned the emperors of Europe, would stay in power for time, times, and half a time. Constantine changed the Law, in changing the day of rest to the day of the sun, the day of his god, Sol Invictus, and introducing 3 gods instead of one. As for "horns", Revelation 17 refers them to kings/leaders, but in the case of Revelation 13, they are horns like a lamb, which translates, that they are Christlike leaders, who will help the beast "deceive" those who dwell on the earth, and there are two of them. Look to Zechariah 11, and you will find 3 shepherds, including Judas Iscariot (Zech 11:12-13), of which the two taken to "pasture" the "flock (Christian church) to slaughter", were Peter (Zech 11:17), and Paul (Zech 11:10), which is in concert with Hosea 3, in which the son of man, Hosea, was to take 30 pieces of silver to purchase an "adulteress" for "many days", until Israel returns to the Lord God, and "David their king". Although the pope has his small kingdom, with his small army, and deceives the "many", not even Catholics listen to the guy anymore. His worshippers are now limited to elites, such as Obama, and the Progressives, who like Hitler, play him for what they want. His day is coming to an end (Isaiah 22:25). America is found in Scripture, as the nation the river divides, who "sends envoys by sea", and is comprised of tall men without beards. (Isaiah 18) We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, who was and is not during the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17), and Constantine was the 7th head of the beast, "another" following king (Daniel 7:24), who only survives in the form of his failing Roman church.

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Just so I know where you are coming from, what religious affiliation do you claim if any? Are you a Biblical Scholar?

stanberger said:

both are on the wrong track. trinity was voted on at nicea 325ad by the same church clergy who delight in chasing altar boys around the rectory I left it for islam in 2002

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The Trinity came by way of the Nicene Council, which was convened by the Roman emperor Constantine, to unify his empire. The Roman church is referred to as a daughter of Babylon in Revelation 17. As for going to Islam, another daughter of Babylon, is like jumping from the pot into the fire. Islamist are notorious pedophiles. Yasser Arafat, a Islamic political leader, was a notorious example, who by the way, probably died of Aids.

2ndpillar said:

"Christianity" was an invention of Paul's later Gentile church.

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The word “Christian” comes from the Greek word christianos, meaning “little Christ” Greek accusers of Jesus’s disciples used it as an insult.
So, Paul's later Gentile church had nothing to do with inventing the name Christianity, the Greeks did.

2ndpillar said:

The "beast" of Revelation 13:3, refers to the 5th head of the beast, Caesar, but the "beast with two horns like a lamb" refers to the 7th head of the beast, which was Constantine, upon whom the daughter of Babylon (Revelation 17:3-7) sits. The two horns like a lamb, are the two Christ like shepherds (Zechariah 11), Peter and Paul. Peter being a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:19), and Paul trying to negate the covenant made with the peoples through Abraham (Zechariah 11:10). As for Yeshua, he was an anointed, just as the kings, prophets, judges, and high priest of Israel, were anointed with the Spirit of God. We are now in the era of the 8th head of the beast, of which the pope is one of the 10 horns. Babylon, the woman sitting on the beast, is destined to fall (Revelation 18:2). According to Isaiah 22:25, all hanging onto her prominent daughter, the Roman church, will be "cut off",

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The author of the book calls himself John, who because of his Christian faith has been exiled to the rocky island of Patmos, a Roman penal colony.

The first beast rises from the sea with the horns and seven heads. Dan 7 illustrated the use of four chimerical beasts to represent world empires, with the ten horns on the fourth beast representing rulers. The best in Rev combines elements of Dan's four as a way of symbolizing that the Roman Empire is as evil as all the others combined. Seven heads are explained as the seven hills of Rome and also as the seven kings, five of whom have fallen, the sixth is, and the seventh is yet to come, the that passage adds an eighth that goes to perdition. Domitian is probably to be counted as the eighth and last one known to the author if he wrote during the reign of Domitian. The claim that one of the heads seemed to have a mortal wound but was healed may represent a legend of Nero come back to life. In the imagery of Rev along with raging war against the holy ones the Empire had caused people to worship the devil and to be excluded from the book of life (13:8).
The second beast, the one from the earth with two horns like a lamb but it speaks like a dragon works signs and wonders like those of Elijah, it has people marked on the right hand or the forehead, even as the servants of God are sealed on their forehead, This beast rising from the earth is emperor worship. The wound of the beast by the sword may be Nero's suicide, the survival. The description in 13:18 ends with what might be the most famous image in Rev, the number of the beast 666. As in Latin letters serve as numerals, the Hebrew consonants translating the Greek form of the name Nero Caesar total to 666.

Follower7 said:

The word “Christian” comes from the Greek word christianos, meaning “little Christ” Greek accusers of Jesus’s disciples used it as an insult.
So, Paul's later Gentile church had nothing to do with inventing the name Christianity, the Greeks did.

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Peter, Paul and all the apostles were in the same Church. Try reading Acts 15.

Spiderman said:

....Here is why: Protestantism is is actually a system of Religion that is built on a foundation that blows up on it's own. Protestantism is based off of Sola scriptura Doctrine that is found no where in Scripture. Many Protestants often say, "we only follow the Bible". But they have no basis for doing so. The Bible doesn't say to do that!,,,,
This is a debate. Please debate something I said. Show me that I am wrong, mistaken, and that some Protestants know their Bible better than I do.

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People sometimes ask me about some Catholic belief and I profess to having never heard of it. They
inevitably say, 'But you read the bible!'
Alas, there is no Easter, no transubstantiation, no indulgences, no rosaries, no Popes, no Cardinals,
no Cathedrals, no seven-deadly-sins, no confessionals, no Crusades and no Inquisitions in the bible.
When the Catholic Church assumed total power it destroyed those groups who lived by scripture alone.

PruePhillip said:

People sometimes ask me about some Catholic belief and I profess to having never heard of it. They
inevitably say, 'But you read the bible!'
Alas, there is no Easter, no transubstantiation, no indulgences, no rosaries, no Popes, no Cardinals,
no Cathedrals, no seven-deadly-sins, no confessionals, no Crusades and no Inquisitions in the bible.
When the Catholic Church assumed total power it destroyed those groups who lived by scripture alone.

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Jesus didn’t write a book, he started a church. He gave the church leaders and gave these leaders his authority to teach and to forgive sins. He told us to listen to the church.

The church wrote the new testament and has proclaimed throughout the world for nearly 2000 years.

pearl said:

The author of the book calls himself John, who because of his Christian faith has been exiled to the rocky island of Patmos, a Roman penal colony.

The first beast rises from the sea with the horns and seven heads. Dan 7 illustrated the use of four chimerical beasts to represent world empires, with the ten horns on the fourth beast representing rulers. The best in Rev combines elements of Dan's four as a way of symbolizing that the Roman Empire is as evil as all the others combined. Seven heads are explained as the seven hills of Rome and also as the seven kings, five of whom have fallen, the sixth is, and the seventh is yet to come, the that passage adds an eighth that goes to perdition. Domitian is probably to be counted as the eighth and last one known to the author if he wrote during the reign of Domitian. The claim that one of the heads seemed to have a mortal wound but was healed may represent a legend of Nero come back to life. In the imagery of Rev along with raging war against the holy ones the Empire had caused people to worship the devil and to be excluded from the book of life (13:8).
The second beast, the one from the earth with two horns like a lamb but it speaks like a dragon works signs and wonders like those of Elijah, it has people marked on the right hand or the forehead, even as the servants of God are sealed on their forehead, This beast rising from the earth is emperor worship. The wound of the beast by the sword may be Nero's suicide, the survival. The description in 13:18 ends with what might be the most famous image in Rev, the number of the beast 666. As in Latin letters serve as numerals, the Hebrew consonants translating the Greek form of the name Nero Caesar total to 666.

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No prize. The oldest version of the number of the beast was 616, the number of Constantine's name. The four beast represent Babylon, Persia, Greece, and the Rome, in which Rome was portioned out, by Julius Caesar as a dictator, and being made a god, and his following Caesars, who ruled over Jerusalem until Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D, and then came "another" king, Constantine, who was to endeavor to change the law and the times, whose continuing dominion, the Roman church, would hold court until time, times, and half a time, and then his "dominion" will be "taken away". They represent the first 4 heads of the beast of Revelation 17. Julius Caesar, the 5th head, would be the "the other horn" of Daniel 7:20, who over threw the triumvirate of leaders to set up his dictatorship, which is being played out with another Caesar/Czar/horn of the 8th head of the beast, named Putin, who is being whipped by a Jewish leader of Ukraine, much in along the lines of Joel 3:7, whereas the Jews will bring recompense upon the nations, such as Rome, who took Judah as slaves. As for Nero, he was nuts and accomplished little as far as the world stage, but he was one of the 10 horns, the Augustus Caesars, between Pompey destroying the temple, and Vespasian destroying the temple in 70 A.D. As for the 8th head of the beast, per Revelation 16:13, it is pulled around by the nose, by the demon spirits of the beasts, the devil, and the false prophet, for the false prophet Paul, and the beast, Julius Caesar are dead, but apparently, their demon spirits live on (Rev 20:10). As for the mark of God, that would be the keeping of the commandments per Dt 6:8, and the keeping of the decrees of Constantine, would be the mark of the beast, of which the decree of Constantine, per his 321 decree, no one could buy or sell on his day of rest, the day of his god, Sol Invictus, Sunday. And no one knows the year when Revelation was written. To base your philosophy on a date you use to build your case, is to build on a foundation of sand (Matthew 7:26), and to continue down the wide path to "destruction" (Matthew 7:13). And Nero never came back to life in any form, and apart from the teachings of the Catholic church, he is a non entity, who did not "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth", and he had no "two horns like a lamb", other than he apparently killed the "two horns like a lamb" which Constantine used to build his Roman church, Peter and Paul, the two shepherds of Zechariah 11:7, who were used by the "LORD my God" to "pasture" the "flock (church) doomed for slaughter).

KW said:

Jesus didn’t write a book, he started a church. He gave the church leaders and gave these leaders his authority to teach and to forgive sins. He told us to listen to the church.

The church wrote the new testament and has proclaimed throughout the world for nearly 2000 years.

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The widely used canon of today was compiled during the era of the beast with two horns like a lamb, Constantine, who was to "deceive" "those who dwell on the earth" (Rev 13). Yeshua gave a message, which was repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand (Matthew 3), and produce "good fruit", lest you be cut down and thrown into the fire. Your "church" of today cannot forgive sins, which is evident in they can not heal their followers, raise the dead, or cast out demons. Their message is the false gospel of grace, per the false prophet Paul. If you want your sins forgiven, you have to actually find a righteous man, confess your sins, and have the righteous man pray to God for you, for God does not listen to the prayers of sinners. (John 9:31) (James 5:16) Your "church" according to Revelation 17 is a daughter of Babylon, who will soon fall (Rev 18:2), and those hanging on to the pope, will be "cut off" (Isaiah 22:25).

Follower7 said:

Just so I know where you are coming from, what religious affiliation do you claim if any? Are you a Biblical Scholar?

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I have no "religious affiliation", and I read the bible as well as history.

KW said:

Jesus didn’t write a book, he started a church. He gave the church leaders and gave these leaders his authority to teach and to forgive sins. He told us to listen to the church.

The church wrote the new testament and has proclaimed throughout the world for nearly 2000 years.

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The New Testament was not written by any church. Various people wrote their thoughts and ideas as inspired by God. Years later these writtings were combined into the Bible.