dying for (insert deity) means killing for him too?

My friends, forgive me a momentary aside...Scott, Blessed be SOGFPP.

martha said:

Linwood...So says man's interpretation.

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In the story of Noah and the flood God not only kills he kills EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING!
Every beast and human and plant other than those on the Ark and those in the sea.
Every living land creature Dies.

God did that.

Below we have mnurder AND rape, God ordered.

Numbers 31:1-18: "...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded moses, and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Numbers 25 tells the story of God ordering death.
He goes so far as to rewards Phineas and his descendents eternally for Phineas`s act of slaying two unarmed people ..

Exodus 12:29-30: "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."

2 Kings 2:23-24: "And he [Elisha] went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."


Ex. 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Lev. 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 31:15 Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 21:15 He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Ex. 21:17 He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Lev. 20:13 If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
Lev. 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
Ex. 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live

Lets not forget Jericho.

God ordered death all the time for the slightest infraction if many could even be considered infractions.

This is not my interpretation this is what the Bible says.

Distancing ones self from the OT isn`t possible considering the NT is rooted and intertwined with it through Christs own words.

Dashing children against rock.
Ripping fetus`s from their mothers wombs

God kills....alot.

martha said:

My friends, forgive me a momentary aside...Scott, Blessed be SOGFPP.

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Thanks my friend, have some frubals from Father Pat!

martha said:

What other way do you read Sapphi'ra?

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The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.

Sounds to me like Peter knew what was going to happen.... doesn't it?

I don't believe she died from fear, but was struck down by God/Peter.

SOGFPP,no my dear thank you.

Re: Peter and Sapphira;
I do not think Peter had a clue as to what she would do or how these words of conviction would affect her. It was Peter's purpose to enlighten her, to show her the errors of her and her husband's ways. Peter didn't know that her guilt would overwhelm her to the point of death. Her sorrow over her guilt killed her. In retrospect, Peter was only stating the fact that the feet of the men were at the door, because they also blamed her. Man's actions again.
If you do not agree, then please help me understand.
Martha

martha said:

If you do not agree, then please help me understand.

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I must say that this topic is a major source of confusion for me.... I'd love to chat about it, but I don't want to drive this thread off topic.

Join and/or drop by the Theist Group Forum.... we are doing a Bible Study of the Book of Acts and we can chat there.

Scott

Linwood, if God deems to kill, by Himself, then so be it.

In my opinion, once again, I do not believe that God , or the Lord tells us to kill. To what end? The accounts in the bible are in my opinion, truthful to some degree, but not completeley the Word, verbatum, of God.
Why in the wide, wide world of religion would a Creator of life ask that life to destroy another life. It is contradictory. If you create a great work of art, and you think it beautiful, but not perfect, would you ask another artist to destroy it? Maybe I'm a little off here, but that is the first thought that came to mind.

Scott, I will try to find my way to that discussion.

Again, why would Peter strike her dead? He did not say anything to the effect that God told him to do that. Why would God strike her dead? Does He not wish for us to see the errors of our ways. That's why He chose Peter to be His rock. I am about to say something that I am not "biblically" sure of, but...would Peter ever kill in the name of or for the sake of God? I don't think so.

Martha

martha said:

Linwood, if God deems to kill, by Himself, then so be it.

In my opinion, once again, I do not believe that God , or the Lord tells us to kill. To what end? The accounts in the bible are in my opinion, truthful to some degree, but not completeley the Word, verbatum, of God.
Why in the wide, wide world of religion would a Creator of life ask that life to destroy another life. It is contradictory. If you create a great work of art, and you think it beautiful, but not perfect, would you ask another artist to destroy it? Maybe I'm a little off here, but that is the first thought that came to mind.

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Not off at all

I am in absolute agreement Martha.

I`m also glad for this exchange as it gives me a bit more insight into your beliefs.

I like what I see.

Thank you my dear Linwood. Frankly, I had to pray for guidance before that last post. Truly I felt as if it was given.

I have many questions myself, but on this particular topic, I feel adamently that God would never ask any of us to kill another, especially in His name.

Quite a wonderful group of people posted here. Thanks for the enlightenment.