The "survivors" of the "nations" who went up against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), will come to Jerusalem year to year to keep the feast of Tabernacles (Zech 14:16). The "nations" which went up against Jerusalem will have their gold and silver confiscated (Zech 14:14), but only after they undergo the plague of radiation poisoning of which "the LORD" will bring upon them (Zech 14:12). It is the LORD who "will gather all the nations against Jerusalem" (Zech 14:2), as paralleled in Joel 3:1-2 after Judah, the Jews, and Jerusalem has been "revived". As for the coming "furnace of fire", the "great Tribulation", that will be "cut short" (Matthew 24:22) so that the "elect" will not perish. As to who are thrown into the "furnace of fire", that would be those who "commit lawlessness", which are the tares, who follow the message of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:38-42), which would be the message of the false prophet Paul. As for Jeremiah 16:19, it is the survivors of the "nations"/Gentiles who confess that they have followed "falsehoods"/lies. I am not sure which sect you get your specific doctrines, but it would be interesting to know.
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"Born of water" - meaning what exactly?
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The "survivors" of the "nations" who went up against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), will come to Jerusalem year to year to keep the feast of Tabernacles (Zech 14:16). The "nations" which went up against Jerusalem will have their gold and silver confiscated (Zech 14:14), but only after they undergo the plague of radiation poisoning of which "the LORD" will bring upon them (Zech 14:12). It is the LORD who "will gather all the nations against Jerusalem" (Zech 14:2), as paralleled in Joel 3:1-2 after Judah, the Jews, and Jerusalem has been "revived". As for the coming "furnace of fire", the "great Tribulation", that will be "cut short" (Matthew 24:22) so that the "elect" will not perish. As to who are thrown into the "furnace of fire", that would be those who "commit lawlessness", which are the tares, who follow the message of the "enemy"/"devil" (Matthew 13:38-42), which would be the message of the false prophet Paul. As for Jeremiah 16:19, it is the survivors of the "nations"/Gentiles who confess that they have followed "falsehoods"/lies. I am not sure which sect you get your specific doctrines, but it would be interesting to know.
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The elect are not religious leaders, they are leaders of nations that realize they are fighting an unwinnable by any nation war. All nations are crippled. A cease fire will be called and Peace like Jonah will be vomited onto land because there are no decisive winners and anger over the war is rampant as the radiated dead lie unburied in the streets. Battle stops but death from those battles never stops until all are dead as extinction happens from the "reserved to end it", nuclear winter gendered by man spoken of in Job when the oceans freeze solid.
Also God is not a Lord, all Lords are men in the OT they reference a king on a throne acting like he has the power of God, not God that commands to love everyone.
The Commandment, Law, of God is do not kill, so both sides of war are the tares judging their enemy unworthy of life, refusing to love their enemy so there would be no war, as Jesus taught. There is more than one false prophet but I agree Paul is one but not the main one. The day of judgement is man made judgement of each other. God only judges after the death of a person, not before then, as all are given their entire life to repent.
The revival of Jerusalem happened in 1948 when Israel was declared a nation. Jerusalem will be hit with a nuclear missile, probably the one called Lucifer and it will never recover. Israel lies on the Great African Rift and as the result of thermonuclear war that fault line will shift in a great pangean stye quake that will split Israel apart as scripture states and Lebanon will fall into the sea.
Isaiah 33:9
The earth mourneth and languisheth: Lebanon is ashamed and hewn down: Sharon is like a wilderness; and Bashan and Carmel shake off their fruits."
Shaking off fruits means death of military & populace
Jeremiah 18:14
Will a man leave the snow of Lebanon which cometh from the rock of the field?"
The "rock of the field" is a massive earthquake from the Great African Rift that causes the snow of nuclear winter and no man will leave it as this snow causes flesh to freeze.
Ezekiel 31:16
I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth." Earth is Eden, the Garden of Eden is peace which no person can enter again as war reigns with radiation even when man attempts to end it
Nations are trees so all the nations of Earth will fall as a result of WW3.
In death, the pit=nether parts of the earth, there is comfort from the horrors of war as people drown from the Great African Rift quake that will shake many nations.
This massive Earth shift that swallows war, will cause great damage in many nations, a cause of the cease fire of WW3, and it will set off multiple volcanos that line the African rift turning the sky as black as sackcloth that helps to create nuclear winter.
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Peter called his own body a tabernacle. A feast of human flesh caused by belief in Abraham is world nuclear war and every year after WW3 will be nothing but the dead being consumed by radiation as nuclear fission attains every atom it touches from year to year and homo sapiens is extinct on the planet that has passed away in the furnace of fire, nuclear fusion, with no life on it.
Eventually the great ice age from nuclear winter melts and then all the nuclear power plants on Earth resume meltdown releasing the fire of Hell on Earth as long as this planet exists assuring God will rest never placing any biological life on this planet in the future.
Man was given Eden and turned it into Hell.
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Please explain why do you think so?
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Because God ended the outline of Creation in Genesis 1 to 2/4. Finished, no further discussion of it.
Then an entirely different God is presented called Lord God.
God is not Lord God.
Lord God is a man claiming to be God as the sly snake said he could.
The serpent is the most subtle that Lord God created because Lord God is the serpent.
Jesus called the sons of Abraham that believed and supported Abraham, "Vipers".
The father of Vipers is the Serpent, Lord God Abraham. The man Jesus called, the Devil.
God created all life on Earth and the Devil Abraham destroys all life on Earth causing the
Beast which is thermonuclear world war when the sons of Abraham strive to destroy each other.
A bit weird, but at least an effort was put forth. As per Joel 2:31-32, there will be survivors on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem. The "great tribulation" will be "cut short" to make that possible (Matthew 24:22). As per Revelation, the "cities of the "nations"/"Gentiles" "will fall" whereas "every island fled away", "and the mountains were not found". As for the nations where "Jacob" was "scattered", they shall be "completely destroyed" (Jeremiah 30:11), whereas Jacob "will be chastened justly". Per Joel 3, the sons of Judah and Jerusalem, who were sold, will come from the place were they were sold, and recompense the sellers, and their sons and daughters will be sold to the Sabeans (Joel 3:5-8), and after the judgment of the valley of judges, the "mountains will drip with sweet wine, and the hills will flow with milk" (Joel 3:12-18), where upon Edom will become a desolate wilderness because of the violence done to the sons f Judah...but Judah will be inhabited forever" (Joel 3:19).
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One is either a son of God, a tabernacle of God, or a son of the devil, a tabernacle of the devil (1 John 3:7-8). As for Peter, the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, Yeshua called him "Satan", and a "stumbling block to me" (Matthew 16:23). At the "end of the age", all "stumbling blocks" will be removed, such as thrown into a furnace of fire. (Matthew 13:38-42). Peter, as portrayed as Satan (Matthew 16:23), would best be portrayed as tabernacle of Satan. Not to say that Judas (Zech 11:12-13), and Peter (Zechariah 11:15-17), didn't fulfill their role, it is just to say, that there are two major roles in the bible, one of which is driven by Satan/devil/serpent/dragon, depicted as the wicked, those who commit lawlessness (Matthew 7:23), and another by the righteous. Peter best fulfills the role of the incompetent/worthless, much like the present VP of the USA. Not that they don't both commit terrific gaffs, but no one blames the dumb for how they were born. Plus poor Judas was fed a portion of the devil at the last supper. He was just doing what he was supposed to do, which apparently ended in his own suicide.
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War will be cut short with no winners because the leaders, elect of nations, see the massive destruction caused by 7 nations using thermonuclear weapons fighting in a world thermonuclear war. There will be some initial survivors at the cease fire, people will rejoice and medical gifts will be given to the ones in greatest need. Survival will be a dire process with supply lines destroyed, electrical grids down, rivers and lakes polluted with fallout, major cities destroyed, etc. Just the process of dealing with the massive amount of the radiated dead will be appalling. But a major cause of destruction will be tectonic plate movement that sets off super volcanoes, the river of fire.
A graveyard is inhabited with the dead forever.
Mountain is a word for a nation and wine is religion. Religious leaders will cry to the governmental leader that their Lord will prevail. A hill is the military that protects a nation and milk represents the children of a nation, the future of that nation needed to be sustained, in that fight.
Note an interesting thing in scripture. Perhaps Isaiah 19 is describing the water conflict between Egypt and Ethiopia today over ownership of the Nile River.
With the new dam Ethiopia built, they now have control of the water with the ability to stop the water flow into Egypt. That was impossible in the past before
the dam was built. Israel has invested in the construction of the Ethiopian dam and also has shown interest in buying future crops that are planned to be grown with new cropland formed with diverted Nile water into Ethiopia. But it is also interesting that Israel has sold high end technology to Egypt which could be described as "spirits".
6 "And they shall turn the rivers far away; and the brooks of defence shall be emptied and dried up: the reeds and flags shall wither."
Brooks of defense emptied means battle will occur over this water conflict until they destroy the dam and empty it.
A man from India, a geologist, told me that a Huge amount of pressure builds up on the earth under water held back from a dam. If that dam is bombed as Egypt is threatening to do, the sudden release of all that pressure and water will cause a major earthquake which could be the cause of the massive tectonic shift on the East African Rift that will split Israel apart.
Along the rift, scientists say that a range of currently active volcanoes, such as the Ol Doinyo Lengai in Tanzania and the Alu-DallaFilla in Ethiopia, One Ethiopian volcano in particular, the Erta Ale, has existed in a perpetual state of eruption for more than 50 years.
The Fault Line in Jerusalem rivals that of the more well known San Andreas Fault in the West Coast of the United States. Studying the Fault Line turns out the worst hit area when an Earthquake occurs will be the Temple Mount. There currently is 10 meters of unrelieved stress along the African Rift where the Jerusalem Fault Line occurs. In other words , an Earthquake can occur in Jerusalem in the near future. The Great Rift Valley runs for 3000 miles from Syria down to Mozambique caused by the separation of African and Eurasian Tectonic plates.
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Jerusalem will be split by a real earthquake (Rev 16), but the San Andreas is semi active, as is Yellowstone, as is the Pacific rim, as are earthquakes in the world in general. But as for Jerusalem, after the valley of judgment, "Jerusalem will be holy", and "strangers will pass through it no more" and "the LORD your God, dwelling in Zion My holy mountain", "and a "spring will go out from the house of the LORD". As for the term "Mountain", it can also be used as the house of God, as in Mount Zion. As for the heads of the beast, as in mountains/kingdoms (Rev 17), they will all be crushed all at the same time in the end times (Daniel 2:45), which would also refer to the 7 heads/mountains/kings of Revelation 17. The nations will then be ruled with a rod of iron from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14), and the "strangers"/Gentiles, will become servants to Jacob (Isaiah 14:1-2).
As for the Ethiopia dams, one is being financed by the World Bank and built by an Italian firm. Another is being financed and built by the Chinese, whereas if history repeats itself, a heavy rain may take out that dam. The people most interested in water and farm products from Ethiopia, are the Saudis, especially with respect to fulfilling the needs of the desolate areas of Jedah and Mecca. The Saudis ship Ethiopian goat meat in by large cargo jets. A man must have his meat and drink. I still can't figure out the sect you belong too.
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Zechariah is an amazing prophet and Jesus, although he was against the basic principals of the Hebrew/Jewish religion, did say learn from the OT prophets because God did send them to warn of the future of Israel. Peter is not in Chapter 11 of Zechariah, you are mistaken.
Zechariah 11 is talking about how Israel will sell advanced weapons to their enemies to gain wealth and profit, thus they "feed" the flock of slaughter. Israel has been doing this in the past few years, especially drones. They hold themselves not guilty of the threats against them because of it.
Verse 7 is describing Israel arms both sides of war for profit. Beauty is the military armament, fighter jets, missiles, helicopters and tanks, guns etc.
Bands is the technological side of defense/offence with advanced computer coders etc.
And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people."
Just because Israel arms people is not a sign of friendship /alliance with nations
Verse 15 is talking about hacking the computers of the enemy to gain intel.
What happened to Israel is Islam stemmed from the same foundational beliefs in Abraham and a bloodline covenant throne of rule. Abraham had 2 sons, one formed the Hebrew/Jews and the other formed Islam and those 2 brothers hate each other.
Verse 16 is explaining that because of this religious conflict that rises up in the land, one sect=shepherd= leader of a Muslim sect enters Israel.
This man hates all idols and commands they be destroyed. He is an ultra-conservative of his religion intent on destruction.
The description in verse 17 fits a religious leader of the Wahabi Muslim sect. For more than two centuries through to the present, Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab's teachings were championed as the official form of Islam and the dominant creed in three Saudi States
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I tend to think it stems from physical birth hence the saying her water burst.
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The reason strangers will walk in Jerusalem no more is it will be a radiated pit where nothing stands so no one can exist there so the area becomes holy , “qodesh” which means “apartness, sacredness,” or “separateness”. People to stay alive separate themselves from the area. From other OT prophets , Persia= Iran will strike it and from scripture implies that it will be the missile strike that starts WW3. "Spring" is a stream of people will leave the house of the Lord because they must evacuate to survive.
The Beast is thermonuclear World War 3. Heads represent nations with demands over land, religion and resources. Horns are nations in treaty to fight for Heads.
The 7 heads/mountains/kings in Revelation are the 7 nuclear empowered nations that fight in the world war. A rod of iron is a rifle representing an army ( Israel is a Head). The Gentiles like the USA ( Horn ) in treaty to stand in alliance with Israel becomes a servant in friendship to fight in hopes to keep Israel from total destruction.
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Israel is invested in both sides of war between Egypt and Ethiopia. Israel has ambitions, the desire to share the Nile waters with Cairo but Ethiopia desires total control over the Nile that originates in their land.
Several published Israeli studies, referred by the “Israeli DEBKA website”, confirmed that:
“Ethiopia was, and still is, the spearhead (the Israeli political, economic and military penetration into the African continent), at the expense of the decline of Egyptian influence before the era of President El- Sisi”.
Israeli analyses on several websites also explicitly indicated that the latest evidence of (the close Israeli relationship with the dam) is the signing of an Israeli company contracts to distribute the electricity that will be generated by the dam to (Kenya and South Sudan), and communications are underway to reach similar agreements with other countries in the (Nile Basin region).
China is the largest investor and the largest source of foreign direct investments in Ethiopia , while the USA is the largest source of aid to Ethiopia.
(Israeli military DEBKA website),
Israel’s focus on Ethiopia in the face of Egypt, listing the following reasons:
1) Because Ethiopia’s water share represents more than 85% of the quantities of water in the Blue Nile Basin from the Nile’s water.
2) Therefore, Israel stood behind the incitement to construct the Renaissance Dam to control water sources under the heading of the (electricity generation).
3) In the same context, Israel submitted studies to (Rwanda and Congo) to build (three dams) to tighten control over (the waters of the Great Lakes), which supplies the Nile with about (15%) of the water sources.
“The Egyptian official silence towards published Israeli news reports may be due to Cairo’s desire to avoid detonating a crisis with the (Hebrew state), given the war that the Egyptian forces are waging in the Sinai, and it depends in one way or another on the Israeli security and military cooperation in this war, but this does not mean that the Israelis will stop their plans to encircle and strangle Egypt, despite their repeated praise for their close relations with the Egyptian President (Abdel Fattah El-Sisi) and the Egyptian government”
The radiation poisoning, the "plague" from the LORD, is directed at "all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem" (Zechariah 14:12). As for the people in "Jerusalem" there "will be no more curse, for Jerusalem will dwell in security". (Zechariah 14:11). As for all the heads/beasts/metals and clay of Daniel 2 & Revelation 17 have all been crushed individually, and the only thing left is for them to be "crushed" all at one time (Daniel 2:35). The last ones crushed were the Russians (Eastern Roman Empire) and the remnants of the Ottoman empire who represent the clay in 1967. Prior to that, the Germans (western Roman empire) and the Ottomans were crushed at Har-Magedon in 1918 at the battle of Megiddo. Now we are lining up for all the beasts to be crushed all at the same time by the sons of Judah and Jerusalem who are to be summoned from all the places the nations have sold them. (Joel 3:7). I still can't figure out what sect you are coming from. I don't recognize your doctrines. You say Paul is a false prophet, but not the premier false prophet. That raises the question of who you think is the premier false prophet.
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Understand, Lord is a word used for Kings, princes, military leaders, land owners, slave owners, husbands and teachers in the Bible. It is a title of respect similar to mister. Mister God? No, God is not a Lord. God is not Lord God. Lord God is a man that claims God speaks with him when God does not.
So the Lord in the Old testament is the King, in control of his military, leading the Hebrew/jews acting like he is a God.
So yes, Israel is going to use nuclear weapons in WW3, if launched by themselves or one of their allies. Jerusalem will dwell in security because no one will want to enter it after it is a radiated hole in the ground. No more curse because why strike an area that has already been leveled and the dead in it can no longer fear death because they are dead. Daniel is describing a fighter jet that has the covering above the pilot infused with gold. It is defining the jet is part machine and the clay is the human. What Daniel sees is an air force base where the Jet is parked with the pilot about to take off/or being parked struck with a missile and the result is radiation & smoke that rises like chaff in the wind forming a cloud that looks like a mountain. This is an initial strike that encourages other nations when they hear of it, to rise in defense of Israel.
No one wins WW3 except the BEAST which is WW3, the 8th HEAD, but because nations/religions claim they will win, people will fight and die in it.
Everything man fights to gain by fighting is destroyed by the war so all is lost. Not only will people not gain more than they had, they will lose what they had.
Luke 9:25
For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?"
If the land a man fights to gain is heavily saturated with radiation that will be viable 25,000 years in the future so no man can walk on it and are cast away, what advantage is that?
The result of nuclear war is not worth losing one's life over an attempt to win it.
But nations will fight, the nuclear war will happen because people believe the liar Abraham, and the result is extinction of our specie on this planet. End of Days.
Paul taught his own false doctrine in the DESERT for 3 years without gaining Holy Spirit first (deliberately not going to Jerusalem to learn anything about what Jesus taught), to men in the desert that had a thirst to learn about God. They accepted Paul saying Abraham is blessed by God with a covenant for one of his 2 sons to rule the world. Paul taught that women are to remain silent as servants to men never to teach a man anything. Paul taught women do not have the same rights as men and are under different laws than men. Paul taught the desert men that women do not have rights to inheritance. The parents of the child bride, Aisha wife of Muhammad, were Pauline Christians. Christian Aisha told him everything her parents had taught her about their religion. Muhammad accepted most of it because he saw the child was an innocent child that he felt was blessed but he altered some of what she told him to form his own beliefs.
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The Quran takes material from earlier Christian, the Persian, and the Jewish writings, and the Hadiths were written in the 9th and 10th centuries by mostly Persians, located mostly near what is now called Baghdad. Those would be questionable sources. As for the 7 kingdoms of Daniel 2, they have all been crushed individually, the latest being by Israel in the 1973 Israeli war when remnants of the Islamic caliphate, the clay, along with their Russian (Eastern Roman empire) allies, the iron, were defeated. Now all that needs to happen is that they will all be crushed at the same time (Daniel 2:35). And while Mohammad may be one of the false prophets of Matthew 7:13, his numbers, 1.9 billion, is surpassed with the number of souls misled by Paul, which is around 2.4 billion. The party that wins with respect to the "day of the LORD" would be the "kingdom" , which shall "endure forever" (Daniel 2:45). The "kingdom" will be the kingdom under king David per Ezekiel 37:22-28). As for the Israelis with respect to a nuclear detonation, the Israelis mostly have their own bomb shelters. It would be the Israeli neighbors who would be mostly affected by a Russian, Iranian, Chinese,or North Korea EMP blast, whose affects mostly pertain to electronics and living tissue which is not protected in bunkers, and not concrete and steel.
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Not correct. The Bible is prophecy about the future, what is happening today. The 7 kingdoms/nations exist today. The Islamic caliphate is still strived for and will be a main cause of WW3 so it is not already "crushed" as you claim. Russia and Europe still have power and will fight in the final war.
The kingdom that exists forever is the Kingdom War with Radiation establishes and every king/ruler on Earth will fall because they can not control it, it controls them.
Note any nation taken down with an EMP will also destroy the Nuclear power plants in that nation causing them to not have the electricity to cool the nuclear rods. that will go in meltdown releasing a massive amount of radiation that does not stay above that nation. Radiation travels the entire world on the jet stream over and over, nonstop releasing fallout constantly on everyone, everywhere destroying food crops, animals and water.
Babylon in prophecy symbolically represents the Nuclear power industry that makes merchants rich with cheap electricity. It is a city as the electrical wires connect homes and industry defining the area of a city. The Nuclear Power Plant is always built by water to cool her rods. She sits like a Queen and claims to be safe for the public she serves but as a war target, will burn with fire when attacked.
It is doubtful any bomb shelter will be of use in a great tectonic shift along the African Rift beneath Israel when the land splits apart in a great chasm. Land will be reshaped and bunkers moved and crushed. This will also happen in the desert nations that have built major shelters underneath the Earth. Like Jonah, trapped in a small space after war, people will have entered their tomb unable to ever get out of them without dying because Radiation is the worm in the gourd that hangs above their head and they will be able to do nothing about it. All food and water on the surface will be polluted with radiation.
The harlot daughter of Babylon that all the kings of the earth desire to use that is made from waste is a thermonuclear missile made from nuclear waste. And they will lie in her bloody bed of war never to rise out of it. She sits on 7 hills, and a hill is a military that supports a nation/mountain so those are 7 nuclear empowered nations that will fight in the last war on Earth, WW3. It causes massive extinction of biological life. A nuclear missile is the Abomination of Desolation. An abomination because radiation destroys the tree of life, DNA causing terrible birth defects and death and it is Desolation because it will cause extinction of all life on this planet, complete and final desolation.
Earth will have as much life on it as Mars. Earth the planet will abide "forever" but life on Earth won't because it has a final end of Days, extinction of all species.
Sorry, I don’t think that is true, nor Biblical teaching.
You have such a happy outlook. Now I know why Scriptures say that strong drink is for the perishing. You probably need a strong drink. As for Daniel 2:45, it already describes the head of gold as Nebachadnezzar, the breast of silver being Persia, the thighs of bronze being Greece, and then the legs of iron would turn out to be Rome, and the recently Rome and the Ottomans being a mix of iron and clay, which was initially crushed at the battle of Megiddo in the year 1918, when the British empire crushed Germany and the Ottomans at the valley of Har-Mageddon. They and the others still have to be crushed all at the same time (Daniel 2:35). As for the 8th head of the beast, it will be one that was and is not, at the time of the 6th head of the beast (Revelation 17:11), which is to say, it was, and is not in existence at the time of the writing of the book of Revelation. We are in the era of the 8th head of the beast who has 10 horns who will assume power for an hour. To understand the 8th head of the beast, you will have to understand the 5th head of the beast, "who was and is not". That would be the Roman emperor Caesar, who is now represented by Czar (Caesar) Putin, and represented in the 1st world war as Kaisar (Caesar) Wilhelm, the emperor of Germany. They will all be sold into the hands of the sons and daughters of Judah (Joel 3:8), after they are all crushed together at the same time. Except for a hint of Islam, I still can't figure out the "Christian" sect you belong too.