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Is it possible to overcome without Yahshua

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Yahweh killed all the firstborn of Egypt, however, you don't acknowledge the fact that the Pharaoh of Egypt ordered that all the male children of the Israelites be put to death. You cannot judge the judge of the earth as evil. He knows what He is doing and He is righteous in His judgments.
Babies didn’t kill anyone. A judge who killed the innocent is not a good judge.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
I think you are promoting bondage.

A person is baptized into Christ into the name (household) of the father, the son and the holy spirit, not into the sound of a word. What matters is not the spelling but the family. It is referred to as the household of faith. We know what that family is.

Here is an example of Levi 'In' Abraham, to give an idea of the important of family and what it means to be baptized into one:
[Heb 7:4-10 NIV] 4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder! 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people--that is, from their fellow Israelites--even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises. 7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living. 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.​

Christians go 'In' to Christ being adopted, and we join his household which is Abraham's household. That's how it works. Its not about sounds or pronunciations.
[Mat 12:25 NIV] 25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
[Eph 2:19 NIV] 19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God's people and also members of his household,
[1Ti 3:15 NIV] 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
[Tit 1:7 NIV] 7 Since an overseer manages God's household, he must be blameless--not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
[1Pe 4:17 NIV] 17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God's household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?​
So the word you have been focusing on 'Name' is hurting you. Stop using it. When you read a passage which says 'Name' try putting 'Household' in wherever you can. At least try it! You will be much better off.
Hi Brickjectivity. Good evening. Thank you for your post. You’ll find that none of those quotes that you have used suggest by any means that the Name of the Most High is not important, or the Name of His Son. You might be asking yourself why the members of the Assemblies of Yahweh place such heavy emphasis on a Name. Is it merely to be different, you might ask, or controversial? Do we merely try to draw men after ourselves for the purpose of forming yet another splinter religious group? Could it be for individual aggrandizement? The members of the Assemblies of Yahweh have proven the importance of the Sacred Name to themselves. You can do the same. By perusing a concordance, you can personally check each instance where the majestic Name of our Heavenly Father appears in the Hebrew Scriptures.

You will find, upon checking, that the Tetragrammaton, the four-letter word that stands for the Name and appears about 7,000 times is usually translated the l-rd in the King James text. Occasionally, it is translated g-d, which is then rendered in small capitals. You may also check to see what such eminent Bible translators as Mofatt, Rotherham, Lamsa and others have to say about the Sacred Name.

The writer of the preface of the Complete Bible, Dr. J. M. Powis Smith, writes in reference to the Sacred Name “Anyone, therefore who desires to retain the flavor of the original text has but to read ‘Yahweh’ wherever he sees L-rd or G-d.”Since the translators are in universal agreement that Yahweh is more correct than the other names and titles employed in translating the Name of our Heavenly Father, and that this is His rightful Name which appears in the original Hebrew text, let us begin immediately to read it into the text when we encounter the place where it should rightfully appear.

The Almighty only has one Name (Psalm 83:18) and the Holy Spirit comes in a certain Name (John 14:26) therefore can any claim to have the Holy Spirit when they haven’t even come to accept the Name of the Almighty and the revealed Name of His Son Yahshua? No they can't. Yahshua spoke about John the Baptist being an EliYah in the Bible. EliYah means My Mighty One is Yahweh. The Jews also believe an EliYah will return before the coming of their Savior, but they don’t recognize or understand what they confidently affirm. Psalm 91:14-16, Isaiah 58:9 and Zechariah 13:9 show that using the Sacred Names is one way in which we can have answered prayers. Joel 2:32 and Romans 10:12-16 show that the Sacred Name will mean salvation.

The Bible is full of instances where the Name is held to be of great importance to Yahweh. It just depends whether you consider the Bible to be the authroity in your life. So my question to you is, is the Bible the authority in your life? Many people cling to the theory of evolution claiming there is much evidence to support it, but simultaneously reject the Name of the Almighty despite the mountain of evidence to support the Name. Malachi 2 says: “2 “And now, you priests, this warning is for you. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says the Yahweh Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.” Indeed, the Jews decided to remove the Name from usage and therefore this prophesy came about.

It really is hard for me to see how anyone could deny the importance of the Name after even the briefest study of the Bible. Yahshua our Savior spoke about the Name, it’s in the 10 commandments and the Bible is full of instances where the Name is proven to be of importance to Yahweh. Perhaps it’s not important to you, but it is most definitely important to Yahweh and to all those who want to ensure their salvation. At the very least, using the Name puts you in a closer relationship with Yahweh and Yahshua. Yes, you say that the sound of a word doesn't matter. Perhaps it doesn't matter much for most words, if the word can be understood, but Yahweh and Yahshua have Names and they have revealed the true pronunciation of their Names for a reason. If Yahweh and Yahshua didn't reveal their Names in the Word, and just wanted to be addressed by titles, then I would gladly do this. But they have revealed themselves and accepting this helps to eliminate a false doctrine, that the Name of Yahweh and Yahshua are not important. As a result, it helps us to determine which faith is the truth and which isn't. Which faith has the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Truth, and which do not.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
Don't ever assume that atheists cannot be as moral, more moral than those who keep to the commandments. Which vary by interpretation and religious sect.

As far as i am aware i kept the commandments, it did not stop christians mocking my disability as a sin.

Since dropping christianity/religion and those commandments that are of no relevance, ie 1, 2 and 3 i have in essence upheld.

Yes it's presumptuous

Honour your father and your mother. Yes i do.
You shall not kill. Never have
You shall not commit adultery. Not once cheated on my husband...
You shall not steal. I don't bsteal not lie
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Not false, but real, yes
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. Ehm. Straight (fairly) female here
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods. Nope.

Chance ig eternal life, surely you mean guess. I am quite happy with the 1st law of thermodynamics taking care of my remains when my brain dies. At least there is scientific validation for that.

Why i lost my belief is a long story, omitting the lead up and nitty gritty. I read the bible, in fact i read 3, they simply do not make any logical sense that a good person would want to worship a genocidal maniac who condones massacre, murder, slavery, rape and theft
Hi ChristineM. Thank you for sharing. I know it isn't easy sometimes for people to talk about why they lost their faith so I appreciate that. Don't get me wrong. I'm not calling atheists abject sinners, I can only go by my own life and say that if it wasn't for my faith I would probably be steeped in sin. Belief in the 1st law of thermodynamics is an uncertainty that I wouldn't be able to live with. I guess I would be always worried about what I would be converted to! But, the Bible tells us the wicked shall become ashes under the soles of the feet (Malachi 4:3) and I believe that. But there is another law which you should consider called the Law of Biogenesis, that life comes only from life, and if we want eternal life, we have to come to the life-giver Yahweh to receive it. I believe this.

Romans 2:14 suggests that even gentiles without the law, or not in the faith, can show works according to the Law. However, in order to keep the fullness of the Law we have to believe in the Word and Almighty Yahweh as you may also recognize as you skipped the first three commandments. Hebrews 11:6 says "and without faith it is impossible to be well-pleasing unto him; for he that cometh to Yahweh must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that seek after him."

Yahweh isn't a genocidal maniac. Many atheists I feel hold a hatred for Yahweh for being a judge. He judges and he knows what He is doing. But if you like, present your case to why you feel Yahweh is a genocidal maniac and I will try to reason with you on the contrary. Perhaps when your views are challenged you'll see the way I do, that Yahweh is a very loving Elohim.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
I think that a 'Messianic Israelite' would know better than to use the NAME in such a way.

You DO know under what conditions that the NAME is pronounced aloud, right?
Hi Sedim Haba. I know that the Name was used is Biblical times freely. The sudden substituting of the Name was done by Jews at a later date who decided that the Name was too holy to be pronounced. Yahweh gave the Israelites a reason not to use the Name in Ezekiel 20:39 because they were given to idolatry. However, throughout the Bible, the righteous people of the Book used the Name freely.
 

Ella S.

Dispassionate Goth
Hi Ella S. Good afternoon. Yeshua was of late Hebrew and used to distort the name by pronouncing 'Ye' instead of 'Yah'. As you know, the Jews to this day distort the name Yahweh by calling it ineffable, substituting it and deleting it from the Bible. You can read this article that touches on the subject here: https://secureservercdn.net/198.71....What-is-the-Messiahs-Name.pdf?time=1647702365

I read your post with interest. I agree that we are all a bit biased but I have tried to make it my aim to use the inductive method, rather than deductive method. It helps to establish the facts. But in terms of our Savior stopping us from sinning: Yahshua has helped me keep out sin. One might say I'm deluded, but I noted a marked change between when I accepted Yahshua as my Savior to before then. Being able to call upon Him, knowing that Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation and that John 14:13 is true that "whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son." John 16:24 says "Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be made full."

I believe in Yahshua the Messiah because I have proof in my life that He has answered my prayers. Course, I'm baptised now and got baptised as soon as I could, at 20 years old, but I can compare my life to before I was baptised to after and there was a huge difference. Yahshua is our Savior who overcame every temptation, "For we have not a high priest that cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but one that hath been in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15).

I know that had I been in the wrong faith, or using the wrong name, I wouldn't have an answer to my prayers as I do through Yahshua. And I realise that in order to live an overcoming life, overcoming our sinful natures, we need Yahweh to answer our prayers. There is no other way.

I am interested in what prayers you made and how they were answered. Are all of the prayers you make using this name answered? If so, how do you know?
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
I'm glad to see you standing up for yourself, and I say this as an ex-Christian who was hoodwinked by Christianity for 30 years. As far as I'm concerned, it's a religion of fear, shame and guilt trips. It's based on a fear of God, a fear of hell, and shame from 'sinning against God.' According to the Bible, if you don't accept Jesus as your savior, and you don't receive God's forgiveness for 'sinning' against him, then you will go to hell for all eternity. If the fear of hell isn't a self-defeating guilt trip, then I don't know what is.

It took me years to break free from the shackles of my Christian faith, and I don't ever want to be imprisoned by it again. There's no doubt in my mind that forsaking my faith in God and letting go of all the guilt and shame of 'disobeying' him was the best decision that I've ever made for my mental health. I wasted 30 years of my life holding onto the false hope that God was loving and merciful, and he loves me. I foolishly held onto this false hope amid all the years I was abused while I was growing up and into my adulthood of dealing with chronic depression and anxiety attacks caused by PTSD. I feel foolish every time I think about all the years I wasted desperately holding onto my faith in God. It was a miserable existence. It took me a long time to finally realize that I don't need a belief in God to do what's right, and I don't have to feel guilty because I do something that's considered sin in the Bible. Penn Jillette truly hit the nail on the head about not needing God to do what's right, and I absolutely agree with him. Read his quote here.
Hi Sgt Pepper. Good evening. Sorry that you feel that way. I know that the prospect of eternal burning Hell can be frightening. However, do you realize that Dante's interpretation of Hell was not Biblical. The Bible tells us that the wicked will be destroyed and that will be the end of them, see Malachi 2. The concept in Chr-stianity is that, well, I don't even know. Pitchforks and so on. It might have served the ministers of Chr-stianity well to drum up fear of rejection of the Word, but it's not truthful. However, even so, Gehenna Fire is a place I would surely want to avoid. To be dead for all eternity, separated from the life-giving power of Almighty Yahweh, is not a prospect that is very appealing to me.

Many atheists I have found have reasoned with the same reasoning thoughts as you have. That somehow abandoning religion released them from some kind of bondage. That the Law of Yahweh is a bondage, whereas we believe in our faith that the converse is true. That the Law of Yahweh is a delight. That as we read in the 10 commandments, that Yahweh has brought us out from the House of Bondage through His Law. Only when we are unable to keep the Law does the Law seem burdensome to us. That's why Yahweh sent Yahshua to us and the Holy Spirit, to give us the strength to overcome.

Who knows, maybe I would be an atheist had I not been raised in my faith. Especially to learn that there is no Holy Spirit in the - if I belonged to one - Christian denomination, would be devastating. I don't see the Law as a problem. Romans 7:12 says "12 So that the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good." The Laws are good. If we want to be good, and we can be good, we have to obey. Yahweh hasn't left His people without help. The Holy Spirit assists us to keep all of Yahweh's Laws.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I can only go by my own life and say that if it wasn't for my faith I would probably be steeped in sin

I couldn't live with such uncertainty and trust in bronze age ideas.

Belief in the 1st law of thermodynamics is an uncertainty

Nope, it is 100% certain. It's how the universe works


But there is another law which you should consider called the Law of Biogenesis, that life comes only from life,

There is no such law, its a principal based on faith.

Yahweh isn't a genocidal maniac

So why kill every human (and all other life) on earth except a close buddy and buddies immediate family?



But if you like, present your case to why you feel Yahweh is a genocidal maniac

See above

Perhaps when your views are challenged you'll see the way I do

My view is not changed by faith but bt evidence based reality.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
So why kill every human (and all other life) on earth except a close buddy and buddies immediate family?

The God of the Bible is most certainly a genocidal sadistic psychopathic bloodthirsty maniac.

According to the Bible, he has personally killed people. For example, he killed a man and his wife for lying to the Apostle Peter (Acts 5:5-10). He also had his 'chosen people' do his dirty work when he ordered the Israelites to wipe the Amalekites off the face of the Earth (Deuteronomy 25:17; Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2-3). God ordered them to kill every man, woman, child, infant, and all their animals. However, this God of theirs turned a blind eye when 6 million of his 'chosen people' were murdered in cold blood by the Nazis during the Holocaust. They were gassed to death in Nazi concentration camps. Why didn't God save his 'chosen people'?

Let us not forget that God committed global genocide after he got ticked off that humanity was behaving exactly how he created mankind to be. If the Bible is accurate, then the Christian God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9-10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). If God has infinite knowledge and wisdom (omniscient) and infinite power (omnipotent), and he is present everywhere simultaneously (omnipresent), then he knew beforehand that Adam and Eve would fall into temptation with the apple, and they would disobey him. In other words, the fall of humanity was foreknown by God. IMO, it's a cop-out to defend this God knowing about the reprehensible, inhumane atrocities that he ordered himself or he allowed to happen, and he did nothing to intervene or stop the immeasurable suffering of humanity.

Instead of blaming God, the creator, devout theists will blame the creation, humanity or Satan or both. They adamantly refuse to blame God, who has infinite knowledge (omniscience), infinite power (omnipotent), and he is ever-present (omnipresence). In other words, if God had foreknowledge of every tragedy and atrocities throughout human history, and yet, he allowed these atrocious events to take place and he didn't stop any of it, then he's a sadistic psychopathic monster. Personally speaking, I think it's beyond disgusting, cruel and sadistic. There's no excuse. The Christian God has undoubtedly proven himself to be a sadistic bloodthirsty psychopath, who is guilty of immeasurable crimes against humanity and global genocide. I don't know about you, but God killing people and ordering people to be mercilessly killed in cold blood doesn't sound like a loving, merciful God (heavenly father) to me.
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The God of the Bible is most certainly a genocidal sadistic psychopathic bloodthirsty maniac.

According to the Bible, he has personally killed people. For example, he killed a man and his wife for lying to the Apostle Peter (Acts 5:5-10). He also had his 'chosen people' do his dirty work when he ordered the Israelites to wipe the Amalekites off the face of the Earth (Deuteronomy 25:17; Exodus 17:8–13; 1 Samuel 15:2-3). God ordered them to kill every man, woman, child, infant, and all their animals. However, this God of theirs turned a blind eye when 6 million of his 'chosen people' were murdered in cold blood by the Nazis during the Holocaust. They were gassed to death in Nazi concentration camps. Why didn't the God of the Bible save his 'chosen people'?

Let us not forget that God committed global genocide after he got ticked off that humanity was behaving exactly how he created mankind to be. If the Bible is accurate, then the Christian God is omniscient (Psalm 139:1-6; Isaiah 46:9-10; 1 John 3:20), omnipotent (Psalm 147:5; Job 42:2; Daniel 2:21), and omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-10; Isaiah 40:12; Colossians 1:17). If God has infinite knowledge and wisdom (omniscient) and infinite power (omnipotent), and he is present everywhere simultaneously (omnipresent), then he knew beforehand that Adam and Eve would fall into temptation with the apple, and they would disobey him. In other words, the fall of humanity was foreknown by God. In my opinion, it's a cop-out to defend this God knowing about the reprehensible, inhumane atrocities that either he ordered himself or he allowed to happen and did nothing to intervene and stop the immeasurable suffering of mankind.

Instead of blaming God, the creator, devout theists will blame the creation, mankind or Satan or both. They adamantly refuse to blame God, who allegedly has infinite knowledge (omniscience), infinite power (omnipotent), and he is ever-present (omnipresence). In other words, if God had foreknowledge of every tragedy and atrocities throughout human history, and yet, he allowed these horrific events to take place and he didn't stop any of it, then he's a sadistic psychopathic monster. Personally speaking, I think it's beyond disgusting, cruel and sadistic. There's no excuse. The Christian God has proven himself to be a sadistic bloodthirsty psychopath, who's personally guilty of immeasurable crimes against humanity and global genocide. I don't know about you, but God personally killing people and ordering people to be killed in cold blood doesn't sound like a loving, merciful (heavenly father) God to me.

Many of the reasons that i dont understand why Abrahamic god believers are so adamant on their gods goodness.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Many of the reasons that i dont understand why Abrahamic god believers are so adamant on their gods goodness.

Personally speaking, I'm guilty myself of holding onto this false hope of the Christian God's goodness. I foolishly held onto this false hope for thirty years, and as I shared before, it was difficult to free from myself from it. Honestly, I'm still trying to recover from the horrific experience of it all. It can cause deep emotional wounds that take a long time to heal. In spite of the struggle, I'm deeply relieved to be freed from the bondage of Christianity. I finally feel at peace in my heart, and I never felt that when I was a Christian.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Personally speaking, I'm guilty myself of holding onto this false hope of the Christian God's goodness. I foolishly held onto to this false hope for 30 years, and as I shared before, it was difficult to free from myself from it. Honestly, I'm still trying to recover from the horrific experience of it all. It can cause deep emotional wounds that take a long time to heal. In spite of the struggle, I'm deeply relieved to be freed from the bondage of my Christian faith. I finally feel at peace in my heart, and I never felt that when I was a Christian.

I was quite lucky jumping ship at age 14 but even now i can still feel the chains dragging sometimes.

Like when the twins decided they wanted to go to church. It is not for me to deny them even though it hurt. Lucky they soon realised the truth of the matter and dropped out.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Hi Brickjectivity. Good evening. Thank you for your post. You’ll find that none of those quotes that you have used suggest by any means that the Name of the Most High is not important, or the Name of His Son. You might be asking yourself why the members of the Assemblies of Yahweh place such heavy emphasis on a Name. Is it merely to be different, you might ask, or controversial?
I am not asking myself this, because you have already put forward your stress upon the importance of the sound, the movement of wind as it reaches the ear or stirs vocal chords, the impact of the sound upon the mind or the troup.

Do we merely try to draw men after ourselves for the purpose of forming yet another splinter religious group?
Hopefully not. All I point out is that any argument can be a trap, something which traps people rather than wins souls. A strong argument is like a sharp sword, but using that argument as a test of fellowship is like putting a bucket over your head and running about slashing in every direction.

Could it be for individual aggrandizement?
If we do not deny ourselves then I think yes. If we exist then yes. If to live is Christ and to die is gain then no.

The members of the Assemblies of Yahweh have proven the importance of the Sacred Name to themselves. You can do the same. By perusing a concordance, you can personally check each instance where the majestic Name of our Heavenly Father appears in the Hebrew Scriptures.
It sounds to me like yet another excuse to embrace one's own life rather than to give it up. They should be investing themselves like living sacrifices.

Also if this audible sound and this pronunciation is used like a shibboleth to keep people out who are of a different mindset, then I think it is not the Lord's table that you take communion at but your own, drinking to judgment.

The principle of antichrist is always at war in us. Prove me wrong.

The members of the Assemblies of Yahweh have proven the importance of the Sacred Name to themselves. You can do the same. By perusing a concordance, you can personally check each instance where the majestic Name of our Heavenly Father appears in the Hebrew Scriptures.
I am *just exactly* like you in so many ways. :( I am tempted to reveal my understanding of the name to you. I pity this group you are talking about. To me its like you all decided to run off of a cliff, but I am too much like you and right there with you making the jump, making the same mistake over and over. I do the same thing. There are a lot of a lot of churches which could benefit from people like yourselves interested in bible study, and you withhold yourselves. They are too recalcitrant, right? They won't listen, right? I do the same, because nobody wants to listen. Nobody listens, and I constantly want to correct everyone since they are so very...under educated or miss educated. They want me to acknowledge what they say, too! It chafes my pride. I fear being lost and drowned.

I say we have to invest ourselves. The only way in is to become invested -- all in and to become lost and one of the crowd and as wrong as they are; and that requires a lot of humility doesn't it. That is the only way to invest the talent God has given.

The 'Name' is very simple, no longer used out loud by Jews. It is shameful for me to explain it. If you think no one alive can reveal it, you might be wrong. I suggest that you are quite backward and mistaken, but am not going to argue about why. Its just not important to always be right and to understand everything, because we are people. We are typically not logic machines. We have to melt in. The time of revelation of names and semantics is not important. What's important is family, and you have been cutting yours off I suspect. "If you love me, feed my lambs." I think repentance is advisable. I hope you will wish the same for me and success in doing so as I enter into and melt into the crowd of the lost and the ignorant.

"If anyone would become wise let him become a fool that he may become wise." is a scripture, probably Christian. I think its Paul the apostle unless I remember incorrectly.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
You will find, upon checking, that the Tetragrammaton, the four-letter word that stands for the Name and appears about 7,000 times is usually translated the l-rd in the King James text. Occasionally, it is translated g-d, which is then rendered in small capitals. You may also check to see what such eminent Bible translators as Mofatt, Rotherham, Lamsa and others have to say about the Sacred Name.
The meaning is quite disappointing. My guess is that it is the covenant and means "It was. It is. It will be." This is not a secret but just a fact that lots of people have forgotten. It isn't even a proper name -- three words smashed together. Knowledge like this temporarily became very dangerous during the Roman Christian period and early European ages, and between that and all the pogroms its not surprising that people stopped talking about it. Maybe they really did even forget it.

So do you feel transformed and enlightened? No, because it is an argument. Souls aren't won by arguments. Only prisoners are won by arguments, so I must set you free to be guiltless of kidnapping.

The writer of the preface of the Complete Bible, Dr. J. M. Powis Smith, writes in reference to the Sacred Name “Anyone, therefore who desires to retain the flavor of the original text has but to read ‘Yahweh’ wherever he sees L-rd or G-d.”Since the translators are in universal agreement that Yahweh is more correct than the other names and titles employed in translating the Name of our Heavenly Father, and that this is His rightful Name which appears in the original Hebrew text, let us begin immediately to read it into the text when we encounter the place where it should rightfully appear.
He has guessed wrong yet has made money by doing so.

The Almighty only has one Name (Psalm 83:18) and the Holy Spirit comes in a certain Name (John 14:26) therefore can any claim to have the Holy Spirit when they haven’t even come to accept the Name of the Almighty and the revealed Name of His Son Yahshua? No they can't. Yahshua spoke about John the Baptist being an EliYah in the Bible. EliYah means My Mighty One is Yahweh. The Jews also believe an EliYah will return before the coming of their Savior, but they don’t recognize or understand what they confidently affirm. Psalm 91:14-16, Isaiah 58:9 and Zechariah 13:9 show that using the Sacred Names is one way in which we can have answered prayers. Joel 2:32 and Romans 10:12-16 show that the Sacred Name will mean salvation.
I am so sorry that this is what you think is important -- how to pronounce a name properly which isn't even a proper name. Its treated like a name, but this is a literary device. It is an anthropomorphism as much as it is to say the L-RD has a hand or a foot or eats or flies or sits.

The Bible is full of instances where the Name is held to be of great importance to Yahweh. It just depends whether you consider the Bible to be the authroity in your life. So my question to you is, is the Bible the authority in your life? Many people cling to the theory of evolution claiming there is much evidence to support it, but simultaneously reject the Name of the Almighty despite the mountain of evidence to support the Name. Malachi 2 says: “2 “And now, you priests, this warning is for you. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says the Yahweh Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.” Indeed, the Jews decided to remove the Name from usage and therefore this prophesy came about.
I am sorry that you think Ezra cannot use this literary device. He can.

It really is hard for me to see how anyone could deny the importance of the Name after even the briefest study of the Bible. Yahshua our Savior spoke about the Name, it’s in the 10 commandments and the Bible is full of instances where the Name is proven to be of importance to Yahweh. Perhaps it’s not important to you, but it is most definitely important to Yahweh and to all those who want to ensure their salvation. At the very least, using the Name puts you in a closer relationship with Yahweh and Yahshua. Yes, you say that the sound of a word doesn't matter. Perhaps it doesn't matter much for most words, if the word can be understood, but Yahweh and Yahshua have Names and they have revealed the true pronunciation of their Names for a reason. If Yahweh and Yahshua didn't reveal their Names in the Word, and just wanted to be addressed by titles, then I would gladly do this. But they have revealed themselves and accepting this helps to eliminate a false doctrine, that the Name of Yahweh and Yahshua are not important. As a result, it helps us to determine which faith is the truth and which isn't. Which faith has the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of Truth, and which do not.
It is important but not that way. Its the covenant, so its the family name of all in that covenant. We know this because the Shema is a covenant which says "Hear Oh Israel, the L-RD thy God, the L-RD is one." If that's a covenant than logically so is the tetragramaton.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
I was quite lucky jumping ship at age 14 but even now i can still feel the chains dragging sometimes.

Like when the twins decided they wanted to go to church. It is not for me to deny them even though it hurt. Lucky they soon realised the truth of the matter and dropped out.

I understand your sentiment, Christine. I'll attend church services with my husband and our kids once in a while, but I don't like it. I consider myself very fortunate because my family has been supportive of me during my personal exodus out of Christianity.
 

Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
Hi Sedim Haba. I know that the Name was used is Biblical times freely. The sudden substituting of the Name was done by Jews at a later date who decided that the Name was too holy to be pronounced. Yahweh gave the Israelites a reason not to use the Name in Ezekiel 20:39 because they were given to idolatry. However, throughout the Bible, the righteous people of the Book used the Name freely.

What do you mean by "Biblical times"? By Moshe in the Torah? In the later Prophets and Writings?

Let me give you a clue. When the Mishkan was created, the High Priest entered the Holy of Holies
only once per year. Yom Kippur. After arduous preparation. Only there and then was the actual
NAME spoken out loud. And when this occurred, all of Israel fell prostrate. And miracles occurred.

Still think you can bandy the NAME about carelessly? Not that you have it right, but it's dangerously close.

Exodus 20:7

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy G-d in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
 

Messianic Israelite

Active Member
What do you mean by "Biblical times"? By Moshe in the Torah? In the later Prophets and Writings?

Let me give you a clue. When the Mishkan was created, the High Priest entered the Holy of Holies
only once per year. Yom Kippur. After arduous preparation. Only there and then was the actual
NAME spoken out loud. And when this occurred, all of Israel fell prostrate. And miracles occurred.

Still think you can bandy the NAME about carelessly? Not that you have it right, but it's dangerously close.

Exodus 20:7

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy G-d in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain.
Hi Sedim Haba. Unfortunantly, I have very little time to address posts in detail which is why I have taken so long getting back to you. Good afternoon. I am well aware that the Jews later on in history, contrary to the Word of Yahweh, decided against pronouncing the Name. The people of Yahweh used His Name and it was frequently used in Israel. Encyclopedia.com says:

The avoidance of pronouncing the name yhwh is generally ascribed to a sense of reverence. More precisely, it was caused by a misunderstanding of the Third Commandment (Ex. 20:7; Deut. 5:11) as meaning "Thou shalt not take the name of yhwh thy God in vain," whereas it really means either "You shall not swear falsely by the name of yhwh your God" (jps) or more likely, "Do not speak the name of yhwh your god, to that which is false," i.e., do not identify yhwh with any other god. The true pronunciation of the name yhwh was never lost. Several early Greek writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh."

So you're wrong, and your zeal is not according to knowledge as it is written:
" 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for Yahweh, but not according to knowledge. 3 For being ignorant of Yahweh's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of Yahweh." (Romans 10:2-3)

Further, you are completely discounting the likes of the Moabite Stone, The Lachish Letters, The Elephantine Papyri and other archaeological evidence proving that the name Yahweh was known. Further, you might be interested to learn that just a couple of days ago an ancient tablet was discovered in Mount Ebal also with the Name Yahweh inscribed: Earliest mention of 'Yahweh' found in archaeological dump

It's unbelievable to me that any person who thinks to know their Bibles should oppose the use of the Name. It appears nearly 7,000 times in the Hebrew Scriptures and the inspired scriptures clearly reveals that the Name was known, and His Son bore a similar name (see Proverbs 30:4). In what is known as the High Priestly prayer by my Savior, Yahshua asks to keep his flock in the Father's Name (John 17:11-12). Jews claim to be awaiting EliYah, and this will be realised again at the upcoming Passover, but if Jews had it their way, I wonder if they would distort the Name so much that it's abbreviated version 'Yah' wouldn't be found in names. EliYah means My Mighty One is Yahweh. So my question to you is, who are they waiting for?

"6 A son honors his father, and a servant his master; if then I am a father, where is my honor? And if I am a master, where is my fear? says Yahweh of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And you say, In what [way] have we despised your name?" That quote is taken from Malachi 1. Do you despise the honorable Name of the Most High. And please don't insult my intelligence by saying that the Name isn't known. I heard that Jews sometimes pronounce the Name in the affixing of the Mezzuzah. If you have studied the Bible at all, and not tampered with the Word by substituting the honorable Name or outright deleting it from the Bible, you would come to realize that the Bible is full of examples of the Name being of importance to our Heavenly Father, to Yahshua His Son and to His people.

Read Micah 6:9. Are you a man of wisdom?
 

Sedim Haba

Outa here... bye-bye!
.... And please don't insult my intelligence by saying that the Name isn't known. I heard that Jews sometimes pronounce the Name in the affixing of the Mezzuzah....

Not at all, I'm saying that your pronunciation isn't correct. Or do you often see miracles occur?
Since you appear to give hearsay on what Jews do with the Mezzuzah, you seem to not count
yourself among them? Or am I wrong? I think you are not, and I have taken a vow to not debate
Xians any longer on this forum. Shalom.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
According to the Torah it is possible to observe and keep the commandments. “For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.”
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Since you appear to give hearsay on what Jews do with the Mezzuzah, you seem to not count yourself among them? Or am I wrong? I think you are not…..
Doesn’t anyone look to see with what religion, if any, a member identifies?
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Doesn’t anyone look to see with what religion, if any, a member identifies?
A lot of folks are using phones and they don't display religion, iirc, unless you turn the phone around.
 
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