Nonsense Scriptures?

paarsurrey said:

Nonsense Scriptures?

Does " Shintopathic " has Scriptures, please. Don't they, please?
If not, they are deprived of the Source of ultimate Truth. Agree?
Right?
If yes, then please quote for the nonsense in it, please. Will one, please?

Regards

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Shinto has no known founder, there is only one Doctrine and that is that spirits and God exist, there are no inerrant scriptures, therefore there is nothing to fight over.

In shinto, you are to pray to God and wise benevolent spirits, to guide your conscience, mind, heart, and soul, and do what you feel inspired is the wise, the right thing to do.

Because I believe torturing people, cursing descendants of people for what their parents do, slavery, genocide, and committing violence against children, babies, and pregnant women, all of which is supported in Scripture, I no longer see scripture as being without error.

As a shinto, I can believe in god, believe that there are good and wise spirits and angels that can help me be a good person, I can follow my conscience, I can enshrine souls in heaven, love them, bless them, love others, and do charitable deeds.

I don't have to see God as a jealous, wrathful, bigoted, hateful god, like the one in scripture. I have the Liberty to follow my conscience and do what is right and avoid what is wrong.

I believe torturing even bad people is a bad thing. I believe torturing people for all eternity is the worst crime I have ever heard of, the most disgusting thing I have ever heard of!

I do believe there is a time where self-defense makes it okay to kill! When evil regimes like Isis are taking over and crucifying people, cutting off heads, cutting off hands and feet, stoning people to death, burning people, and doing things like that, the best thing you can do is quickly put them out of their misery.

So I'm not entirely a pacifist, but even in situations like that, I don't believe it is okay to torture anybody. Usually really mean people are already very tortured as it is, and it doesn't accomplish anything by torturing them more, or torturing them for eternity.

I don't believe it is okay to curse descendants of somebody, because of their sins, like the Bible promotes.

God has given me a conscience to tell what is right and wrong. My conscience tells me there is much in the Bible that is very wrong, and God does not want me to go against my conscience and do what I believe to be evil, or support what I believe to be evil.

I believe God finds it a lot more noble, Courageous, admirable, and integrity, if I try to follow my conscience and fight him when he is being cruel, then the to bend the knee out of fear , and submit to what I find is cruel and mean.

If the Bible says that God killed the firstborn of Egypt for crimes that they didn't commit, and God committed genocide and killed babies, children, pregnant women, and innocent people, putting them to the sword, drowning almost the entire Earth, and that David took a census which God didn't approve of, and God killed 70,000 people with pestilence over a census, and God does a bunch of things which my conscience tells me are evil in scripture, I believe that God wants me to follow my conscience and fight what is evil in our world, and point out what is wrong in the scriptures, so that people stop using the Bible as their final and ultimate authority.

It is an ancient outdated text. There is nothing in the Bible that says the Bible is the final authority on anything. People need to move on, and recognize that an ancient text no longer applies in many places.

The Bible starts a lot of conflicts, a lot of bigotry, a lot of hatred, a lot of division, a lot of violence, a lot of arguments, and promotes some things that are toxic , cruel, barbaric, hateful, condemning, judgemental, mean-spirited!.

The loving thing to do is point out what is wrong with it. There's a lot of good things in the Bible too. I encourage all people to pray that God would inspire them to have a strong conscience, be filled with the spirit of god, be guided by god, follow their hearts, follow their conscience, follow the golden rule.

As Jeremiah 17:9 says the heart is treacherous, so the heart is Not a reliable guide.
The imperfect heart is like having a traitor inside of us.
At first the heart tells or urges us to do something, then after we do it then the heart gives all the reasons why we should Not have done what we did in the first place. -Proverbs 28:26

JustGeorge said:

Though now that I think of it... some childproofing would have been in order. I don't think I'd leave food out I didn't want the kids(or dogs, or cats) to eat.

Guess he needs more efficient food storage.

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This.

The Adam and Eve story always struck me as the equivalent of leaving 2 toddlers in a room with a loaded gun, and then lock them up in the cellar for playing with it and shooting each other.
Not only that, what with the whole talking snake bit, not only did he leave a loaded gun laying around - he also let loose a 3rd person who actually understand what's going on and who's sole mission was to get the kids playing with the gun.

It's absurd to the highest degree.

Spiderman said:

Any loving person should point out hate! I will point out cruelty, hatred, and bigotry, and it is found in Scripture!

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But God is incapable of hate. He is love by nature.

People cannot really put themselves in God's shoes so to speak, and understand the decisions he made.
What might look like cruelty to us was actually mercy.

Seeker of White Light said:

Maybe there is paradise for every faith, not just Christian

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The ^ above ^ sounds reasonable to me.
However, I find many connect paradise with just being in Heaven although many pray for God's kingdom to come and His will (purpose) to be done on earth just as it is being done in Heaven.
In Heaven there are No wars, No crime, No violence, No pollution, No sickness and No death in Heaven.
So, then the prayer is that those same heavenly conditions come and exist here on Earth.
Those heavenly conditions existing here on Earth would make Earth a beautiful paradisical Earth.
This ties in with Jesus' teaching from Psalms 37:9-11 that humble meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5
A forever eternal Paradise Earth as Eden was purposed to be for upright people.

TagliatelliMonster said:

This.
The Adam and Eve story always struck me as the equivalent of leaving 2 toddlers in a room with a loaded gun, and then lock them up in the cellar for playing with it and shooting each other.
Not only that, what with the whole talking snake bit, not only did he leave a loaded gun laying around - he also let loose a 3rd person who actually understand what's going on and who's sole mission was to get the kids playing with the gun................

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ALL those juicy fruit trees in Eden is more like leaving 2 toddlers in a HUGE warehouse chock full loaded with sweet candy.
That 'snake-in-the-grass' aka Satan sole mission to get rid of the kids eating the candy.
Since candy guns don't kill then Satan would have to come up with another idea.
P.S. Adam and Eve were married adults and knew the law of Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:3.

Wildswanderer said:

But God is incapable of hate. He is love by nature......

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Any thoughts about Romans 9:13; Malachi 1:2-3; Hebrews 12:16 B

Seeker of White Light said:

You speak about paradise, that comes after all the suffering on earth if we are granted a place in paradise.

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Yes, there will be ' healing ' (suffer No more) for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 35th chapter.
Starting with the figurative humble 'sheep' found at Matthew 25:31-33,37 when the haughty 'goats' will be No more.
Since 'enemy death' will then be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8 then Earth will become a beautiful paradisical Earth as the Garden of Eden originally was.

Seeker of White Light said:

Maybe karma actually is correct....that we suffer for time after doing something wrong, I believe as an example my family had a lot to pay in suffering.
On my father side of family it was 4 generations who got prostat cancer, all of them died before turning 68 years old.
I dont blame God for it.

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I find faithful man Job did Not suffer after doing something wrong.
Rather, it is blameworthy Satan who challenged righteous Job at Job 2:4-5.
So, by way of extension we are all challenged.
Touch our 'flesh.....' (loose physical health) and the challenge is that we also would Not serve God.
Both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.

URAVIP2ME said:

Any thoughts about Romans 9:13; Malachi 1:2; Hebrews 12:16 B

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Yes. It means God preferred one over the other for a certain purpose. For example, Jesus said to hate your mother and father... But that's in comparison to God, it just means put God first. God chose Jacob for a job not for salvation. Esau ended up being blessed in different ways.

Wildswanderer said:

Yes. It means God preferred one over the other for a certain purpose. For example, Jesus said to hate your mother and father... But that's in comparison to God, it just means put God first. God chose Jacob for a job not for salvation. Esau ended up being blessed in different ways.

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Yes, and hate but as in meaning 'love to a lesser degree' or to put God's will/purpose first over any human.

Spiderman said:

simply can barely stomach such cruelty, inhumane treatment of creatures you claim to love and be a father of, and I think it's extremely sad that we have a creator that would actually do that, if indeed it's true!

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It's a symbolic story. The story about Noah is so old you can't trust it and it may be symbolic too.

TagliatelliMonster said:

This.

The Adam and Eve story always struck me as the equivalent of leaving 2 toddlers in a room with a loaded gun, and then lock them up in the cellar for playing with it and shooting each other.
Not only that, what with the whole talking snake bit, not only did he leave a loaded gun laying around - he also let loose a 3rd person who actually understand what's going on and who's sole mission was to get the kids playing with the gun.

It's absurd to the highest degree.

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Adam and Eve weren't toddlers who knew nothing about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the consequences of eating the fruit.
They chose to eat the fruit, to rebel against God and what God had told them.
For Adam it says that he did it because the fruit was good for food and for gaining knowledge.

Spiderman said:

I am baptized! I said sorry I keep dissing God. The cruelty in the Bible just makes me very angry!

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It does many of us.

Brian2 said:

Adam and Eve weren't toddlers who knew nothing about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the consequences of eating the fruit.
They chose to eat the fruit, to rebel against God and what God had told them.
For Adam it says that he did it because the fruit was good for food and for gaining knowledge.

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They were more like a mentally deficient adult that did not know right from wrong. God still screwed up bigtime in that myth.

URAVIP2ME said:

As Jeremiah 17:9 says the heart is treacherous, so the heart is Not a reliable guide.
The imperfect heart is like having a traitor inside of us.
At first the heart tells or urges us to do something, then after we do it then the heart gives all the reasons why we should Not have done what we did in the first place. -Proverbs 28:26

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If my conscience tells me torturing, hurting people, genocide, and slavery are wrong, and so is a proud , jealous, narcissistic God , who tortures and kills people for not believing in or worshipping him, I should never go against my conscience, and do what my conscience tells me is wrong, or believe something is right, when my conscience tells me it is the epitome of sick , cruel, and wrong, just because an ancient outdated text that contradicts itself, tells me otherwise!

God gave me a conscience, to tell right from wrong. It is noble for me to follow it! Slavery and genocide, torturing and killing people, and bigotry, are supported in Scripture! It goes against the golden rule and charity!

I should never support or adhere to such madness!

Brian2 said:

Adam and Eve weren't toddlers who knew nothing about the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the consequences of eating the fruit.
They chose to eat the fruit, to rebel against God and what God had told them.
For Adam it says that he did it because the fruit was good for food and for gaining knowledge.

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Except they were exactly like toddlers since before eating the magic knowledge-imparting food, they were ignorant, according to the story.

Subduction Zone said:

They were more like a mentally deficient adult that did not know right from wrong. God still screwed up bigtime in that myth.

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If they were mentally deficient then, since they were our parents and humans aren't really that bright, it could be argued that all of humanity is mentally deficient.
They knew that they should not eat the fruit because God had told them not to eat it. So they knew it was wrong to eat it and right to not eat it.
A@E screwed up by eating.
The Serpent screwed up by tempting them to eat and saying that God had lied to them.
God just carried through with what He said would happen if they ate the fruit and made a couple more judgements to add to that.

TagliatelliMonster said:

Except they were exactly like toddlers since before eating the magic knowledge-imparting food, they were ignorant, according to the story.

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They were ignorant of good and evil. Apart from that they may have known many things. They would have understood what God had told them. They knew that God had told them not to eat and what would happen if they ate.

Brian2 said:

If they were mentally deficient then, since they were our parents and humans aren't really that bright, it could be argued that all of humanity is mentally deficient.
They knew that they should not eat the fruit because God had told them not to eat it. So they knew it was wrong to eat it and right to not eat it.
A@E screwed up by eating.
The Serpent screwed up by tempting them to eat and saying that God had lied to them.
God just carried through with what He said would happen if they ate the fruit and made a couple more judgements to add to that.

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Dude! Read the myth. It was not genetic. God made them with that flaw. That is what the myth says. And since there were no Adam and Eve we do not have to worry about inheriting their lack of intelligence.

And no, they could not know it was wrong. Once again read the myth. They knew the instant that they ate the magic fruit that they screwed up. That is in the myth too. The fact that your beliefs are threatened is probably hindering you from understanding the obvious.