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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Not exactly. In reading the accounts, and putting them together as one....
The people in Jerusalem hear that Jesus is coming, and goes out in herds to meet him.
Jesus encounters the crowds on the road, and they lay palm branches and garments along the road.
Jesus later enters Jerusalem, and goes to the temple, to teach.
He then leaves for the evening.
Hello again.......... this was your Day 1 report. I read through it again and saw so much more than during first reading....... Most strange.

You described the people who came out to meet Jesus as being 'in herds'. Do you want to rethink about that? They didn't 'come out', they welcomed the scores of thousands of families coming to Jerusalem for the Passover feast....... they were welcoming their money, really.
And Jesus didn't 'teach' anybody, he made speeches and debated with folks, it's a bit like a candidate for a political election making speeches and being in interviews, we don't report this activity as 'teaching the people'!!! :p
Jesus just looked around at things with his friends and then left. They were probably figuring out what to do, where and how.

It's not a good idea to mash the accounts in the gospels together, because three of the authors were never there and dreamed up all kinds of stuff. :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Hello again.......... this was your Day 1 report. I read through it again and saw so much more than during first reading....... Most strange.

You described the people who came out to meet Jesus as being 'in herds'. Do you want to rethink about that? They didn't 'come out', they welcomed the scores of thousands of families coming to Jerusalem for the Passover feast....... they were welcoming their money, really.
And Jesus didn't 'teach' anybody, he made speeches and debated with folks, it's a bit like a candidate for a political election making speeches and being in interviews, we don't report this activity as 'teaching the people'!!! :p
Jesus just looked around at things with his friends and then left. They were probably figuring out what to do, where and how.

It's not a good idea to mash the accounts in the gospels together, because three of the authors were never there and dreamed up all kinds of stuff. :)


What makes you think that only three of the authors were never there?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
What makes you think that only three of the authors were never there?
Ha ha! :D
I think the author of G-Mark was there....at times.
What makes me think that is ..... he mentions stuff that only he would have burned in to memory. Many authors have mentioned how the basic gospel (with Christian bits discarded) is probably based upon the memoirs of Cephas., who we know was upset with Paul's drivel, probably wanting his own version of events to be passed on.

I think that the author of Mark did a good job, it just got submerged beneath the waffle of the other gospels, which I do like for their accounts which add detail, by the way.

It's just how I see it.......
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Ha ha! :D
I think the author of G-Mark was there....at times.
What makes me think that is ..... he mentions stuff that only he would have burned in to memory. Many authors have mentioned how the basic gospel (with Christian bits discarded) is probably based upon the memoirs of Cephas., who we know was upset with Paul's drivel, probably wanting his own version of events to be passed on.

I think that the author of Mark did a good job, it just got submerged beneath the waffle of the other gospels, which I do like for their accounts which add detail, by the way.

It's just how I see it.......
Really? I do not get that from New Testament scholars. Most say that all were anonymous and not eyewitnesses.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Easy!
Mark 11:11
No teaching. Nothing but looking around at everything...... Or do you say that this entry is wrong?.
Cherry picking is dishonest. Agreed?
Luke 19

No Christian has ever shown that they have read that simple report.
No ....Christians are not all well educated about Jesus, but what they got told about 'Christ' afterwards is not of interest to me.
That's your opinion. Agreed?
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Hello again.......... this was your Day 1 report. I read through it again and saw so much more than during first reading....... Most strange.

You described the people who came out to meet Jesus as being 'in herds'. Do you want to rethink about that? They didn't 'come out', they welcomed the scores of thousands of families coming to Jerusalem for the Passover feast....... they were welcoming their money, really.
And Jesus didn't 'teach' anybody, he made speeches and debated with folks, it's a bit like a candidate for a political election making speeches and being in interviews, we don't report this activity as 'teaching the people'!!! :p
Jesus just looked around at things with his friends and then left. They were probably figuring out what to do, where and how.

It's not a good idea to mash the accounts in the gospels together, because three of the authors were never there and dreamed up all kinds of stuff. :)
Carefully reading scripture is important. In fact, going to school, and failing to read carefully does not get you an A+. It will likely get you a D-. True?

Let's step through the account.
Luke 19
28 After he had said these things, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 And when he got near to Bethʹpha·ge and Bethʹa·ny at the mountain called Mount of Olives, he sent two of the disciples, 30 saying: “Go into the village that is within sight, and after you enter it, you will find a colt tied, on which no man has ever sat. Untie it and bring it here. 31 But if anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ you must say, ‘The Lord needs it.’” 32 So those who were sent went away and found it just as he had said to them. 33 But as they were untying the colt, its owners said to them: “Why are you untying the colt?” 34 They said: “The Lord needs it.” 35 And they led it to Jesus, and they threw their outer garments on the colt and seated Jesus on it. 36 As he moved along, they were spreading their outer garments on the road. 37 As soon as he got near the road down the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and to praise God with a loud voice because of all the powerful works they had seen, 38 saying: “Blessed is the one coming as the King in Jehovah’s name! Peace in heaven, and glory in the heights above!” 39 However, some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to him: “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” 40 But in reply he said: “I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out.” 41 And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, 42 saying: “If you, even you, had discerned on this day the things having to do with peace—but now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification of pointed stakes and will encircle you and besiege you from every side. 44 They will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.” 45 Then he entered the temple and started to throw out those who were selling, 46 saying to them: “It is written, ‘My house will be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a cave of robbers.”

Okay. So according to this account, Jesus was met by a crowd, including Pharisees, before he entered Jerusalem.
We read in verse 41, When he got nearby, he wept over the city he was viewing.
He had not entered Jerusalem.
I previously referenced the scriptures that say the crowds heard he was on his way, and they went out to meet him.

Also, read further in the account. He was teaching daily... for the period leading up to Nisan 14.
(Luke 19:47) . . .He continued teaching daily in the temple. . .

If you don't see this, I don't see how you expect to get anything but an F.
 
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Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Carefully reading scripture is important. In fact, going to school, and failing to read carefully does not get you an A+. It will likely get you a D-. True?

Let's step through the account.
Luke 19
28 After he had said these things, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 And when he got near to Bethʹpha·ge and Bethʹa·ny at the mountain called Mount of Olives, he sent two of the disciples, 30 saying: “Go into the village that is within sight, and after you enter it, you will find a colt tied, on which no man has ever sat. Untie it and bring it here. 31 But if anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ you must say, ‘The Lord needs it.’” 32 So those who were sent went away and found it just as he had said to them. 33 But as they were untying the colt, its owners said to them: “Why are you untying the colt?” 34 They said: “The Lord needs it.” 35 And they led it to Jesus, and they threw their outer garments on the colt and seated Jesus on it. 36 As he moved along, they were spreading their outer garments on the road. 37 As soon as he got near the road down the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and to praise God with a loud voice because of all the powerful works they had seen, 38 saying: “Blessed is the one coming as the King in Jehovah’s name! Peace in heaven, and glory in the heights above!” 39 However, some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to him: “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” 40 But in reply he said: “I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out.” 41 And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, 42 saying: “If you, even you, had discerned on this day the things having to do with peace—but now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification of pointed stakes and will encircle you and besiege you from every side. 44 They will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.” 45 Then he entered the temple and started to throw out those who were selling, 46 saying to them: “It is written, ‘My house will be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a cave of robbers.”

Okay. So according to this account, Jesus was met by a crowd, including Pharisees, before he entered Jerusalem.
We read in verse 41, When he got nearby, he wept over the city he was viewing.
He had not entered Jerusalem.
I previously referenced the scriptures that say the crowds heard he was on his way, and they went out to meet him.

Also, read further in the account. He was teaching daily... for the period leading up to Nisan 14.
(Luke 19:47) . . .He continued teaching daily in the temple. . .

If you don't see this, I don't see how you expect to get anything but an F.

Notice,
38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Jesus refused to be their King. Jesus wanted them to leave their old religion and join Jesus in the true merciful religion of God. Jews saw no profit in that and liked the temple business of being paid for sin that they define as sin or they would kill people. They stoned a poor man to death for picking up sticks on the Sabbath. Jesus taught they did not have a right to do that.
The disciples are saying the Jewish king( whomever Jews chose to be king) should come in the name of Jesus, in other words, rule with righteousness, words of God as Jesus teaches.
BUT if the disciples of Jesus did not give honor to the Jewish KING the Jews would stone them to death.


It was never the plan of Jesus to lead the Hebrew nation into war as their Christ King. Jesus refused to obey their laws knowing God refused to accept any of their blood sacrifices and a person can not BUY righteous with money or blood.. Jews called Jesus a blasphemer.

Acts 8:20
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.


Jesus told them the Christ is not a son of David and Jews are circumcised to pledge belief the Christ IS a son of David. This event is A SET UP in public, disciples forced to bend the knee to the threats of Jews to respect their laws, because Jews in court are going to LIE to the Judge and say Jesus was attempting to take over their nation as a King to oppose Rome. Jews thinking Rome would see Jesus as an antagonist and threat to Rome. These same people, Pharisees, demanded Jesus die after the Court proclaimed Jesus innocent of any crime worthy of death. In court Jesus told the truth, OTHER people called him king. Jesus does NOT want the government on his shoulders, Jesus taught how to rule ourselves with righteousness but none on a throne, all people as equals, none exalted including himself. Jesus taught VOTE for a righteous, qualified man with the example of choosing the final and 12th Apostle, Matthias.
Jesus wept because he knew the Jews would never believe truth that Jesus taught and would always kill people to support their religious beliefs.
Jesus knows the Jewish religion will persist into the future and be a main part of the final war on Earth. Jesus warns them and they refuse to believe what he tells them. They want him to die for NOT supporting them. Jesus was sent to the Jews because they were LOST and not worshiping the correct God or following the laws of God. Hebrew/Jews were war mongers that burned children alive and dashed infants against rocks.
 
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GardenLady

Active Member
Jesus did not steal any Jewish ideas and taught against believing in the Jewish religion and was leading people away from being Jews into a new religion teaching do not mix the 2 religions together


Jesus was practically channeling Hillel in much of his preaching. Very Jewish.

[I know this response quite long after the quoted post, but I've been sidetracked by recovery from surgery.]
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Jesus was practically channeling Hillel in much of his preaching. Very Jewish.

[I know this response quite long after the quoted post, but I've been sidetracked by recovery from surgery.]
PAUL is the one that refused to follow the teaching of Jesus and because Paul brought people into his church with "crafty guile" which means lies and deceit,
Paul claimed Jesus believed and supported many Jewish beliefs that Jesus rejected, taught against wanting people to not believe them.
Jesus did not want people to support belief in Abraham but Paul claims Jesus served Abraham as a High Priest making blood sacrifices in his honor. Complete lie because Jesus never made a blood sacrifice and whipped the temple priests for believing in it making what should have been a house of God into a commercial marketplace where people could buy the right to sin. The approval of God is not for sale and can not be bought with money or blood.
But the liar Paul claims you can buy salvation by agreeing an innocent man should die because he taught against what Paul wants people to believe is true.
May God our Father in heaven heal you body and soul!
 
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GardenLady

Active Member
@metis, my vision is now excellent, but the complications were scary. My left eye was very red and bloody-looking and I still have a red splotch on the sclera, which my surgeon is periodically monitoring. It does not interfere with my vision (20/20 but need readers) but it may require further treatment if it doesn't go away. I suppose I'm perhaps more skittish than some, because my husband lost an eye when he was about 18. /end of off-topic blogginess.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
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Carefully reading scripture is important. In fact, going to school, and failing to read carefully does not get you an A+. It will likely get you a D-. True?

Let's step through the account.
Luke 19
28 After he had said these things, he went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem. 29 And when he got near to Bethʹpha·ge and Bethʹa·ny at the mountain called Mount of Olives, he sent two of the disciples, 30 saying: “Go into the village that is within sight, and after you enter it, you will find a colt tied, on which no man has ever sat. Untie it and bring it here. 31 But if anyone asks you, ‘Why are you untying it?’ you must say, ‘The Lord needs it.’” 32 So those who were sent went away and found it just as he had said to them. 33 But as they were untying the colt, its owners said to them: “Why are you untying the colt?” 34 They said: “The Lord needs it.” 35 And they led it to Jesus, and they threw their outer garments on the colt and seated Jesus on it. 36 As he moved along, they were spreading their outer garments on the road. 37 As soon as he got near the road down the Mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and to praise God with a loud voice because of all the powerful works they had seen, 38 saying: “Blessed is the one coming as the King in Jehovah’s name! Peace in heaven, and glory in the heights above!” 39 However, some of the Pharisees from the crowd said to him: “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.” 40 But in reply he said: “I tell you, if these remained silent, the stones would cry out.” 41 And when he got nearby, he viewed the city and wept over it, 42 saying: “If you, even you, had discerned on this day the things having to do with peace—but now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43 Because the days will come upon you when your enemies will build around you a fortification of pointed stakes and will encircle you and besiege you from every side. 44 They will dash you and your children within you to the ground, and they will not leave a stone upon a stone in you, because you did not discern the time of your being inspected.” 45 Then he entered the temple and started to throw out those who were selling, 46 saying to them: “It is written, ‘My house will be a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a cave of robbers.”

Okay. So according to this account, Jesus was met by a crowd, including Pharisees, before he entered Jerusalem.
We read in verse 41, When he got nearby, he wept over the city he was viewing.
He had not entered Jerusalem.
I previously referenced the scriptures that say the crowds heard he was on his way, and they went out to meet him.

Also, read further in the account. He was teaching daily... for the period leading up to Nisan 14.
(Luke 19:47) . . .He continued teaching daily in the temple. . .

If you don't see this, I don't see how you expect to get anything but an F.
OK, remember an important thing, a garment is the symbolic word for a religious belief like bread is doctrine. Jesus said do not sew his new religion/cloth onto the old garment of the Jewish religion because it will destroy the new religion to believe both are one religion when they are not. They are completely separate doctrine. Paul wanted to graft people into the old religion so the gospel of Jesus is destroyed by Paul's beliefs. Jesus does not want people to believe in blood sacrifice for sin removal but Paul does want people to believe in it. Paul sews that false sacrifice belief into his church Paul claims follows Jesus when it does not.

Paul that claims to be the "Hebrew of Hebrews" would have been one of those Pharisees that told Jesus to rebuke his disciples. It was the large number of disciples with Jesus that prevented the Pharisees from stoning Jesus to death right there because they had been threatening to kill Jesus for not following their doctrine. In verse 38 the disciples are taunting the Jews which they should not have done. Jesus taught he does not want a crown as a king or secular rule. Do not be looking for Jesus to desire power with a lavish lifestyle with soft clothing willing to command an army. The only thing Jesus wanted was to be a teacher of truth to lead people to God, nothing else.
 
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