At least you acknowledge that the Tonkin incident was fake?
I am not saying the whole invasion is fake. I heard Putin say what he is doing in Ukraine ...in Russian.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Maybe NATO should back down?
At least you acknowledge that the Tonkin incident was fake?
I am not saying the whole invasion is fake. I heard Putin say what he is doing in Ukraine ...in Russian.
The history of Russian politics says otherwise.
Different leaders can implement different agendas, eg,
Gorbachev, whose policies of glasnost & perestroika
were a sea change from his predecessors. Subsequent
leaders sought reversals.
So it is not a foregone conclusion that Russia is
immutable. Change for the better can happen.
The big question is if & how we can influence this.
But until it happens, NATO must carry a big MAD stick.
Alas Russia & its apologists will simply deny that it
happened. Or claim Ukrainians did it to themselves.
The existence of false flags doesn't mean
that everything else is false too.
I see this as a campaign to discredit NATO
members, & to justify Putin's invasion.
Just as Italy had reasons to support Hitler
& Nazi conquest, there are reasons to support
Putin & Russian conquest. I just find those
reasons to be evil.
The perestrojka years were terrible for Russia.
The Soviet Union had gone bankrupt.
And more loans in the nineties ...more bankruptcy.
Those tragic and destructive individuals (Rothschilds) lent them the money via IMF (...).
Putin with Gazprom filled the State treasury.
And he paid every cent, paying off all debts.
The Rothschilds 's dream of seizing Russia faded way.
That is why they hate Putin to death.
As an avowed socialist, I can understand why
you'd oppose economic liberalism. But that isn't
the point I raised, ie, that a change in leaders can
mean a major change in policies.
This means that Putin might not be replaced with
another Putin.
Have any evidence for the old John Birch Society's
Rothschild conspiracy?
The John Birch Society is anti-communist, just like many others who are anti-communist.
My grandfather was a Bircher.
I remember the Rothschilds being one of the big boogeymen.
It seems that Italy has embraced John Birch now too.
When all of politics is governed by invisible conspiracies,
nothing is ever as it appears. Anything can be believed,
& anything can be justified. Discussion becomes difficult.
My grandfather lived in Orange County, and was surrounded by Birchers, but was not a Bircher himself.
My grandfather had more of a middle ground viewpoint. He didn't really believe in wild conspiracies, but he also didn't believe that things were as they appear.
A politician or organization might show a certain "public face," but that doesn't mean that that's how they really are in private. That's how he would look at things. Whenever we watched TV together, he would comment on the commercials and reading between the lines of what they were actually saying. He was a salesman for 50 years, so he knew the ins and outs of business and how they operate.
Whatever Putin believes or is like in private, we do
know one thing about him that is factual....
He is willing to invade another country that hasn't
attacked Russia, & kill many innocent people.
Some people say this is Ameristan's fault....or George
Soros's fault...or NATO's fault....or the Rothschild's
fault. But I see it simply, ie, Putin launched a deadly
invasion against a country that didn't attack Russia.
So what Putin does is Putin's fault.
amorphous_constellation
Well-Known Member
Reports have come out that a children's hospital and maternity ward were bombed in mariupal. Whoever commanded that, does not deserve to sleep as soundly as Jesus
Russia's Foreign Minister, Sergie Lavrov says
this never happened. It's just a "pathetic outcry".
We are living the conspiracy.
Having a Goldman Sachs banker as Prime Minister.
It is disgraceful.
Such a friendly spider to offer such a kind invitation to the fly.
So the Jews are behind it all, eh.
I will not discredit the NATO as organization.
I defend it as organization.
I just think it is instrumentalized by certain elites who sell a certain narrative.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
So....basicly, you think that Putin is kind to Ukrainians, wants to embrace them in to the Soviet environs, and is a good man. Is that what you think?
We know that Putin is invading another country. The question is why. He's stated his reasons. The West doesn't seem to believe him, so they don't trust his public face either.
I've also noticed many others don't even care about the reasons, since the only salient fact in their eyes is that Putin is invading Ukraine, which is the beginning and the end of it, from that standpoint. Nothing else seems pertinent in the case against Putin.
However, the overall discussion is not just about Putin's invasion of Ukraine just by itself, but also projections about what Putin might do next. There are fears that he could attack NATO countries, or that he might even launch a global thermonuclear war.
On the other hand, maybe he just wants Ukraine and only Ukraine. If that's the case, then NATO countries would be safe from invasion.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Yes.
I think Putin commited a war crime in the second that his troops killed a Ukrainian on Ukrainian soil.
He is no stranger to crime..... He sent assassin's to murder folks in Salisbury, UK.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
All those deaths, all that destruction, all those threats ...... And all those people blaming Me Putin. There's nothing fair in life.
